I've been using the Revere hi lo and want to a stronger system. I've read that the Advanced Omegea II is the best. I have the BJ for Blood by Bryce Carlson. Before I dive into the change, I'd like to get a few opions from the ones who have done this before. Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
about 9 years ago i made the switch from hi opt 2 to advanced omega 2. i love referring to it as blackjack for blood. i've done nothing but win and refuse to even look at any other count. way to go! bryce carlson or whatever your name really is!
Thanks for the reply.......Could you tell me approximately how long it took you to get proficent with O II? Do you follow the BJ Blood book practices closely? Are you a LV player? How many decks do you usually play? Sorry for all the questions, I just gotta get into it.
I honestly beleive that your results would have been almost exactly the same if you used Hi-Opt 2 with the same amount of index numbers.
The correlation between these counts is pretty strong.
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.....I used Hi-Opt 2 for a year before switching to Revere APC. Recently I switched to Advanced Omega II. AOII and Hi-Opt 2 are both infinitely easier than Revere APC and I do just as well.
To answer AK-Bill's question on how long it took - about 3 good months of practice for me to feel capable and about 3 more months of playing (part-time) until it became 2nd nature. For me, that is the point where you can multi-task - carry on conversations with players, dealers, pit, cocktail waitresses and still keep the count.
Thanks for the input..........back in training for me for AOII.
...very slightly, because of the insurance correlation. T-hopper did some sims on this after I pointed out Epstein states this in The Theory Of Gambling Statistical Logic.
For pitch games, AO2 is optimal.
You would only see a small difference in performance between the systems over a lifetime of play. Switching between counts would never be justified if you have mastered one system.
been using AOII for 5 months with 106 hours of actual casino play. It has been all double and single deck games. I feel very comfortable with it now although it was very mentally challenging at first. I am up 220 units since switching from Hi-Lo, but keep in mind this is a very small sample size. Good luck!
The percentage increase is not worth it.concentrate on getting more money down on plus indices,that is what it is all about.
but for 1-2 decks where cover is harder use AO2
That said, I guess a disclaimer is in order: I'm in my 11th+ year of using AOII. Being a little selfish, I'd prefer less people use it than more, as it makes it a little more effective when playing pitch games (as it relates to strategy deviations and cover).
If multiple deck games are 1)game of choice or 2)the game most likely to be played, then either Hi lo or KO may be better choices
However, if you'll have ample opportunity for pitch games....then I'd say go for it.
Some caveats: If you don't side count aces....skip it, and learn something else. There's lots of debates on the value of count speed, i.e., SD countdown, DD countdown etc.. Some feel it's ok to count down decks slower as you won't lose much.
Here are my thoughts on this....
Why play pitch, use AOII, add ace side count, and not go for the gold? In other words, it takes less of a bank, lower variance, lower spread to play a winning SD game than any other. You want to be able to continue to play and it will already be difficult enough if you bet multiple green, black or higher. You will be highly scrutinized, and you better be able to talk and count at the same time. To facilitate this you must be able to count down decks with blazing speed, and be accurate with your TC conversions, as the main advantage is in your play variations. For TC use 1/4 deck estimates for DD and SD. (Quick TC conversions can made by multiplying as well as dividing, e.g.; 1 3/4 decks use X.9; 1 1/2D use 3/4 -X.7, whichever is easier for you, 1 1/4d use X.6, 3/4d use X1.3, 1/2d use X2, and 1/4d use x4.
15 sec for SD is a must. DD is a max of 45, but 35-37 sec is what you should get consistently. Needless to say, accuracy at fast speeds is paramount. There are many other skills necessary to play SD successfully (DD is a little more forgiving).
There is another consideration before you decide to invest the kind of time required to make AOII or Hi OptII work for you, and that's whether joining a team is in your future. If it is, and unless you already know potential teammates who use level 2 counts, then you may be wasting your time. Most teams use level 1 for counting, and of course for tracking.
good luck
cheers
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The 1 3/4D TC multiplier should be .6 (a little dyslexic today I guess) and 1 1/4D should be .9.
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