A disgruntled game protector spills his beans!
A C\T [count team] member works by himself.
and are subject to requests from Pit Bosses, Shift Managers, etc to "run down" players.
They carry a beeper.
C\T is suppose to wander through the pits
looking for activity that warrents a "run down" or to spot known counters.
Some of the things they look for are bet spreads,
deviations from bs, and either present big win
or cumulative wins in recent trips. Sometimes,
a request to run down a player will be
just because the player bets large amounts.
Once C\T has made an assesment,
they will place a "note" on the computer for rated players.
Unrated players do not have anyway to save that info
except in the memory of the C\T member. Also,
C\T keeps a log book of their daily activity
and all run downs are recorded there as well.
Photographs are kept of all confirmed counters
and sometimes, suspected ones.
I know they have at least 6 or 7 photo albums
we called "family albums"
In those books were photos and any information
we have of the confirmed counter, including
birthdate, ht, wt, date of birth, city
where player lives and known associates.
Mind you, some of the info such as dob and city,
come from the players themselves
when they signup for the CompCard--the casino rating card.
So what will alert a C\T member to you?
It can be something as simple as catching a glance at you,
near the end of a shoe, betting $100 and standing 12-2.
One of the biggest factors of whether you will be "looked at",
is how busy the C\T member is.
If you are a lower limit counter, this time of year [winter]
is the most dangerous part for you.
The casino is slow and C\T needs something to do----
the job gets EXTRMELY boring this time of year!
But, they will get called normally
if, you are unknown to the Pit Boss
and you buyin $1000+, bet $100+, or you start winning $1000+.
If you are a "known" player, they will check the computer
to see if you had been "looked at" recently.
Now, by procedure, ALL Floorpeople should check the computer
when they open your CompCard.
In practice, not all do it.
But the better ones usually will check the CMD\7 or message screen.
There is where C\T puts the message if you had been checked out.
If you are listed as a confirmed counter or a "Possible Skilled Player",
the computer will flash a message on every screen.
In the "High Limit Pit".
things are a little different.
First, $1000 buyins or $100 bets won't attract attention.
However, there was 1 female PB on day shift would call C\T
if a refusal bought in no matter what amount.
On the 4 deck $100 minimun game,
a mere 5 unit spread might get you looked at.
But on the $25 game, it usually would take a little more.
All of this is superceeded by winning!
If you start winning $1500, $2000 or more,
expect C\T to be called.
If you had been looked at and cleared
but start winning several thousand dollars,
C\T will be expected to re-evaluate.
Marker or Credit players fall into a different catagory.
By procedure, C\T can NOT confirm a credit player.
Only the Casino Manager can.
To confirm a credit player,
C\T needs to document shoe after shoe of player,
then the member submits it to the Shift Captain who,
if they concur,
will file a report to the CM along with the documentation.
If the CM agrees to confirm, you credit line will then be cut.
However, if the C\T member can convince the Shift
that the player counting and is "dangerous".
Countermeasures can be ordered by the Shift temporarily.
The countermeasures of breaking the shoe,
cutting in half limiting to one playing spot
or low maxing the table have a set of guildlines for use
but are not "set in stone".
If you are a red chip player,
breaking the shoe usually occurs at $100.
However, at times $75 has been used
but usually for players the thought were "trouble makers".
Green chip players can expect a shuffle at a bet over $125.
Black chip players they are more discrimminating with
if they are in the high roller or not and more so if they are on the $100 game.
Surveillance people do NOT run down players
except in a very special circumstance.
C\T can go to surveillance to do run downs however.
Also, C\T can request that your play be filmed for later review
if the are too busy with someones else.
The shifts and times C\T work are:
Day Shift: 12noon-8Pm Sun-Thurs 01Pm-9Pm Fri-Sat
Swing Shift 8Pm-4Am Sun-Thurs 9Pm-5Am Fri-Sat
Grave Shift: the balance of the 2 shifts.
the Shift Mgr and Asst Shift Mgr are both former C\T Administrators
and 3 Pit Bosses are former C\T members.
Also, 3 Floorpeople are trained C\T members.
2 are usually hidden in the Asian Pit
and the other is off weekends but normally works in the high roller pit, Mon-Fri.
If you don't go pass $100 bets OR win $2500 at one time, they will probably leave you alone.
Pitcritters will check the computer to see accumulated win\losses---
-over the last 90 days.
The best way to avoid heat is this:
A disgruntled game protector spills his beans! An oldtimer emailed me the report below. Take a look below how a typical Jersey casino operates against advantage players:
A C\T [count team] member works by himself.
and are subject to requests from Pit Bosses, Shift Managers, etc to "run down" players.
They carry a beeper.
C\T is suppose to wander through the pits
looking for activity that warrents a "run down" or to spot known counters.
Some of the things they look for are bet spreads,
deviations from bs, and either present big win
or cumulative wins in recent trips. Sometimes,
a request to run down a player will be
just because the player bets large amounts.
Once C\T has made an assesment,
they will place a "note" on the computer for rated players.
Unrated players do not have anyway to save that info
except in the memory of the C\T member. Also,
C\T keeps a log book of their daily activity
and all run downs are recorded there as well.
Photographs are kept of all confirmed counters
and sometimes, suspected ones.
I know they have at least 6 or 7 photo albums
we called "family albums"
In those books were photos and any information
we have of the confirmed counter, including
birthdate, ht, wt, date of birth, city
where player lives and known associates.
Mind you, some of the info such as dob and city,
come from the players themselves
when they signup for the CompCard--the casino rating card.
So what will alert a C\T member to you?
It can be something as simple as catching a glance at you,
near the end of a shoe, betting $100 and standing 12-2.
One of the biggest factors of whether you will be "looked at",
is how busy the C\T member is.
If you are a lower limit counter, this time of year [winter]
is the most dangerous part for you.
The casino is slow and C\T needs something to do----
the job gets EXTRMELY boring this time of year!
But, they will get called normally
if, you are unknown to the Pit Boss
and you buyin $1000+, bet $100+, or you start winning $1000+.
If you are a "known" player, they will check the computer
to see if you had been "looked at" recently.
Now, by procedure, ALL Floorpeople should check the computer
when they open your CompCard.
In practice, not all do it.
But the better ones usually will check the CMD\7 or message screen.
There is where C\T puts the message if you had been checked out.
If you are listed as a confirmed counter or a "Possible Skilled Player",
the computer will flash a message on every screen.
In the "High Limit Pit".
things are a little different.
First, $1000 buyins or $100 bets won't attract attention.
However, there was 1 female PB on day shift would call C\T
if a refusal bought in no matter what amount.
On the 4 deck $100 minimun game,
a mere 5 unit spread might get you looked at.
But on the $25 game, it usually would take a little more.
All of this is superceeded by winning!
If you start winning $1500, $2000 or more,
expect C\T to be called.
If you had been looked at and cleared
but start winning several thousand dollars,
C\T will be expected to re-evaluate.
Marker or Credit players fall into a different catagory.
By procedure, C\T can NOT confirm a credit player.
Only the Casino Manager can.
To confirm a credit player,
C\T needs to document shoe after shoe of player,
then the member submits it to the Shift Captain who,
if they concur,
will file a report to the CM along with the documentation.
If the CM agrees to confirm, you credit line will then be cut.
However, if the C\T member can convince the Shift
that the player counting and is "dangerous".
Countermeasures can be ordered by the Shift temporarily.
The countermeasures of breaking the shoe,
cutting in half limiting to one playing spot
or low maxing the table have a set of guildlines for use
but are not "set in stone".
If you are a red chip player,
breaking the shoe usually occurs at $100.
However, at times $75 has been used
but usually for players the thought were "trouble makers".
Green chip players can expect a shuffle at a bet over $125.
Black chip players they are more discrimminating with
if they are in the high roller or not and more so if they are on the $100 game.
Surveillance people do NOT run down players
except in a very special circumstance.
C\T can go to surveillance to do run downs however.
Also, C\T can request that your play be filmed for later review
if the are too busy with someones else.
The shifts and times C\T work are:
Day Shift: 12noon-8Pm Sun-Thurs 01Pm-9Pm Fri-Sat
Swing Shift 8Pm-4Am Sun-Thurs 9Pm-5Am Fri-Sat
Grave Shift: the balance of the 2 shifts.
the Shift Mgr and Asst Shift Mgr are both former C\T Administrators
and 3 Pit Bosses are former C\T members.
Also, 3 Floorpeople are trained C\T members.
2 are usually hidden in the Asian Pit
and the other is off weekends but normally works in the high roller pit, Mon-Fri.
If you don't go pass $100 bets OR win $2500 at one time, they will probably leave you alone.
Pitcritters will check the computer to see accumulated win\losses---
-over the last 90 days.
The best way to avoid heat is this:
1. Don't go past $100 bets
2. Don't be regular---Don't give your name.
3. Use red\green combination bets for higher amounts.
4. Have a friendly attitude(very important).
5. Stay off the $25 min or higher games.
6. Play pass 12AM on weeknights or 11pm on weekends
7. "Go South"(rat-hole) when possible
-(May help with weaker Floorpeople)
8. Buy in for less the $300 at the begining
-and make additional buyins of less than $100 at a time.
To APs, are there any surprises to you from the above "fun" readings?
