I know for a fact that if you have been 86th off a property and the ownership changes that 86 is no longer valid. I have been hearing another version of the 86 law and that is if you are it's only valid for 6 months and then has to be re-issued does anyone know if this is correct or not ?
I'm sure it varies from state to state. Some require a written document signed by you, else a video record of your refusing to sign same. The main issue is that they want to be certain you were actually issued a tresspass warning and are aware of it, so that if you go back, you can be prosecuted and can't use the "I never heard I was tresspassed..."
This is also the type of law that can be changed whenever a state legislature chooses to do so. I would personally want to ask an attorney that practices in the state in question to be sure...
Good question. I don't believe I've seen anyone ask about the longevity of a trespass warning before.
Of course, if you mean by 86ing, the casino informally telling or requesting the player to leave or is "welcome to play any other game but blackjack", there is no statute or time period, but failing to meet the casino's expectations could result in a formal warning.
Now, for the situation in which a person has been formallly read a State's Trespass Act or Trespass Warning, I checked Rose & Loeb's Blackjack and the Law. They say nothing about how long a formal trespass warning is effective.
Provided below is a link to Nevada's NRS207.200 which covers their statute about trespassing. It shows how a person may be told not to trespass - warned by the owner not to trespass or enter, signs, fences, hedges, etc.
Note that the statute does not provide a time limit. I draw the conclusion that if a person is warned by an agent of the owner, not to trespass, that the warning stays in effect as long as that owner has the property and can provide evidence of warning the person.
you are invited back. That usually doesn't take long. Make a copy of the next piece of direct mail and keep it on file in case you need to charge them with false arrest.
I do exactly that. I have not been tossed much in recent years, in fact I remember two in the last 2 years. And of course I received the usual "come visit for two nights free during the month of june" or whatever and a year or so my wife was going thru the files and asked "Why are you saving things from these two places, they tossed you on your butt because I was there with you." I told her the same basic thing you said above and she said "you are an idiot. you better keep that piece of paper in your pocket if you go back because I'm not going to bail you out." :)
"...they tossed you on your butt because I was there with you."
:)
I wasn't tossed out because she was there with me. :)
She was with me when I was tossed out. And she did not like the "atmosphere" one bit... Last trip to vegas she insisted that I hit downtown by myself after she went down to see the Fremont Experience once for herself. Said she was not going to be a witness to any further "incidents" and that if she was not too busy, she "might" bail me out if I called. :)
Of course if something really happened, she'd be the first one there...
When you get a minute, would you email me at ss_rat at earthlink dot net?? Got a private query for you and could not find any other way to reach you...
It varies by state. In Las Vegas there are two standards depending on if you are in a county or city casino. The dividing line is Sahara. For the tresspassing ordinances to be enforced lawfully, you must be formally tresspassed. If you are backed off of a game and told that you can play anything but BJ, this is not being formally tresspassed. To be tresspassed you must be read a formal notice of tresspass which is typically delivered to you after being escorted to the backroom where your picture is taken and the formal notification is recorded. You should never allow yourself to be backroomed. The minute someone asks "to speak with you a moment", you should state that you are just leaving. Pick up your chips and immediately head for the exit. If you are detained in any way I suggest you follow the advice of lawyer Bob Nersesian http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-12-31-casino-db_x.htm. You should always be respectfull and non-suspicious when leaving. If any person stands in your way you should ask if you are under arrest and if so, what for. You should then notify the individual(s) that you are once again leaving and that if your progress is impeded in any way you wish to have the police called and you will be filing charges for felonious kidnapping. I then raise my arms straight in the air and start walking slowly and deliberately forward displaying an obvious movement to not make contact with the individual(s). If another attempt is made to stop your progress I begin announcing loudly that I am in need of help and I am worried that I am about to be assaulted. Remember that at this point the massive casino surveylance is now your ally and best witness. I have never been prevented from leaving at this point even after being surrounded by 5+ individual(s). If you are stopped and backroomed, call BOB.
I believe the following standards must be met after a formal tresspass or something like this. If you have been formally tresspassed in the city of Las Vegas, you must exit the city before reentering the casino. In the county of Las Vegas you must leave the county. In either case if you are asked to leave, you must be given the opportunity to leave. I always save the promotional offers that are mailed as proof the casino is welcoming me back.
