8,8 vs T ... again

S17
Resplit A(up to 4 hands)
Das(up to 4 hands)
Early surrender if dealer shows a ten
No hole card,Dealer takes only original bet
(Dealer does not take a hole card. If dealer has blackjack player will lose only original wager. Additional wagers made due to double or splitting will be returned.)

http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?read=155956
...See BJA3, pp. 392-93. for an explanation of how to calculate the split e.v., which is worse than -0.50.

wizardofodds:
Split DAS-Yes = -0.475385
So this is better than surrender -0.5 ?

"http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?read=155956
...See BJA3, pp. 392-93. for an explanation of how to calculate the split e.v., which is worse than -0.50."

I answered the identical question for you at that time. So, the answer today is the same as it was then. BS for 8,8 v. 10 when ES is permitted is to surrender.

wizardofodds:
Split DAS-Yes = -0.475385
So this is better than surrender -0.5 ?

The chart you're looking at has nothing to do with ES. It is for a game where ES is not permitted. Elsewhere, Mike gives the proper BS for this hand when ES is allowed, and that is to surrender.

Don

Split DAS-Yes = -0.475385 ... This -0.475385 seems to be for "Playable Ten" only(compare the other hard totals with Griffin's figures), this -0.475385 should not be used to decide whether to split or to surrender.

So the split EV for no hole card game would be worse than that...Split or surrender, depends on this EV.

***In Wizard of Macau, the BS for this hand when ES is allowed and "lose only original wager" is "split"
http://wizardofmacau.com/games/blackjack.html

***In Wizard of Macau, the BS for this hand when ES is allowed and "lose only original wager" is "split"
http://wizardofmacau.com/games/blackjack.html

Not sure why Mike would write that. Appears to be an error. I've pointed it out to him and will pass along his response when I hear back.

BS for ES is to surrender 8,8 v. T. Period. If you were to lose all to a dealer natural, that would make the hand even worse and make surrendering even more desirable. But, even when you lose just a single bet, you still early surrender 8,8 v. T.

Don

8,8 vs T (NHC,OBO) = -0.523

http://www.bjmath.com/bin-cgi/bjcomputer.pl?noframes;read=2368

Hi Don:

Thanks. Probably a mistake. I'm in China at the moment, and will
be in Macau, coincidentally, from Aug 4-8. This will have to wait
until I return to correct.

Mike