Do the won/lost statements provided by the Casino, at your request, have any other purpose besides the stated Marketing Tool?
Does the Pit have access to these records?
Does the IRS have access to these records?
The Pit has access to them...it's your ratings. This info represents the casinos best guess as to your status against them.
The IRS does not have access to these records as they are generally not worth the paper they are written on.
IRS used casinos' records to indict a gambler for tax evasion!
Hey Guys, I received the below from a poster thru email. The poster wanted me to post it for him. He said I got lots of readers based on my hit-meter records...such hits ranging from as high as 300 to 450 hits. Hey friend, thanks, but don't let the hit-meter records fool you. I just like to use "misleading subject lines", lol.
IRS used casino records in order to determine the tax cheater's
unreported income. These records include information such as his
date of birth, address, and signature, and indicate that most of
his gambling activity consisted of playing blackjack. Printouts
of the computerized records of his gambling activity reflect
purchases of chips, wins, and losses in the following amounts during 1985
and 1986:
1985
----
Chips
Date Purchased Win Loss Casino CTR Filed
---- --------- --- ---- ------ ---------
5/27/85 $ 1,800 $1,500 $ --- Caesars ---
6/02/85 500 2,700 --- Caesars ---
6/03/85 1,050 --- 1,500 Caesars ---
6/09/85 500 --- 200 Caesars ---
6/10/85 2,000 --- 1,700 Caesars ---
6/11/85 1,000 --- 700 Caesars ---
6/15/85 2,000 --- 1,300 Caesars ---
6/16/85 1,000 3,100 --- Caesars ---
6/17/85 1,000 1,100 --- Caesars ---
6/18/85 500 --- 300 Caesars ---
7/03/85 500 --- --- Caesars ---
7/04/85 2,500 400 --- Caesars ---
7/06/85 1,600 --- 600 Caesars ---
7/07/85 500 3,500 --- Caesars ---
7/11/85 2,100 --- 2,100 Caesars ---
7/12/85 600 2,600 --- Caesars ---
7/13/85 4,000 --- 500 Caesars ---
7/14/85 4,100 --- 4,000 Caesars ---
7/15/85 1,000 --- 900 Caesars ---
7/16/85 1,500 --- --- Caesars ---
8/07/85 5,700 --- 1,300 Caesars ---
8/08/85 500 --- 4,000 Caesars ---
8/11/85 500 --- 500 Caesars ---
8/12/85 1,600 --- 1,300 Caesars ---
11/27/85 10,800 --- 10,600 Caesars Yes
11/28/85 14,000 --- --- Bally's Yes
11/30/85 2,000 --- 2,300 Caesars ---
12/21/85 4,300 3,700 --- Caesars ---
12/22/85 1,900 5,600 --- Caesars ---
12/28/85 860 --- 900 Caesars ---
12/29/85 500 --- 500 Caesars Yes
12/30/85 14,600 --- 13,500 Caesars Yes
12/31/85 --- --- 300 Caesars ---
1986
----
Chips
Date Purchased Win Loss Casino CTR Filed
---- --------- --- ---- ------ ---------
1/01/86 $ 6,100 $ --- $ 2,100 Caesars ---
1/03/86 12,100 --- 4,200 Bally's Yes
1/04/86 500 --- 900 Caesars ---
1/05/86 1,600 --- 1,200 Caesars ---
1/11/86 1,500 --- 200 Caesars ---
1/12/86 3,500 --- 4,000 Caesars ---
2/02/86 17,300 --- 7,400 Caesars Yes
2/05/86 20,800 --- 20,900 Golden Nugget Yes
3/06/86 --- 1,900 --- Caesars ---
3/07/86 500 --- --- Caesars ---
3/08/86 13,400 --- 2,400 Bally's Yes
3/09/86 5,500 --- 2,800 Caesars ---
3/09/86 11,400 --- --- Trump's Yes
4/01/86 6,000 --- 2,700 Caesars ---
4/02/86 --- 200 --- Caesars ---
5/29/86 1,540 1,610 --- Bally's ---
5/30/86 4,500 4,400 --- Golden Nugget ---
6/02/86 14,000 6,500 --- Golden Nugget Yes
6/04/86 12,200 --- 12,300 Caesars Yes
6/05/86 500 --- 500 Trump's ---
6/19/86 7,200 11,500 --- Trump's ---
6/23/86 9,300 --- 5,100 Trump's ---
7/08/86 2,700 1,650 --- Trump's ---
7/11/86 1,500 5,100 --- Golden Nugget ---
7/12/86 6,100 --- 5,600 Golden Nugget ---
7/25/86 --- --- 300 Caesars ---
7/28/86 6,200 --- 5,300 Trump's ---
7/29/86 700 1,600 --- Golden Nugget ---
8/04/86 500 500 --- Golden Nugget ---
8/05/86 1,000 100 --- Bally's ---
8/06/86 1,100 --- 700 Trump's ---
8/07/86 500 --- 500 Golden Nugget ---
8/09/86 1,900 1,400 --- Trump's ---
11/20/86 400 --- 200 Trump's ---
11/30/86 2,700 --- 1,125 Trump's ---
12/03/86 400 --- 175 Trump's ---
12/14/86 900 1,200 --- Trump's ---
CTR's filed by the casinos show that petitioner purchased chips for
cash in excess of $10,000 on the following dates: <>
Date Amount Casino
---- ------ ------
11/27/85 $10,800 Caesars
11/28/85 14,000 Bally's
12/29/85 15,100 Caesars
1/03/86 12,100 Bally's
2/02/86 17,300 Caesars
2/05/86 20,800 Golden Nugget
3/08/86 13,400 Bally's
3/09/86 11,400 Trump's
6/02/86 14,000 Golden Nugget
6/04/86 12,200 Caesars
IRS utilized the casinos computer-generated reports and the
CTR's to calculate his gambling expenditures in 1985 and 1986.
IRS's calculations of his gambling expenditures in 1985
are set forth in a schedule attached to the statutory notice of deficiency
as follows:
Summary of Casino Activity for 1985
-----------------------------------
Date Buy-In Win or (Loss) New Money Balance
---- ------ ------------- --------- -------
05/27/85 $ 1,800 $1,500 $ 1,800 $ 3,300
06/02/85 500 2,700 --- 6,000
06/03/85 1,050 (1,500) --- 4,500
06/09/85 500 (200) --- 4,300
06/10/85 2,000 (1,700) --- 2,600
06/11/85 1,000 (700) --- 1,900
06/15/85 2,000 (1,300) 100 700
06/16/85 1,000 3,100 300 4,100
06/17/85 1,000 1,100 --- 5,200
06/18/85 500 (300) --- 4,900
07/03/85 500 --- --- 4,900
07/04/85 2,500 400 --- 5,300
07/06/85 1,600 (600) --- 4,700
07/07/85 500 3,500 --- 8,200
07/11/85 2,100 (2,100) --- 6,100
07/12/85 600 2,600 --- 8,700
07/13/85 4,000 (500) --- 8,200
07/14/85 4,100 (4,000) --- 4,200
07/15/85 1,000 (900) --- 3,300
07/16/85 1,500 --- --- 3,300
08/07/85 5,700 (1,300) 2,400 4,400
08/08/85 500 (4,000) --- 400
08/11/85 500 (500) 100 ---
08/12/85 1,600 (1,300) 1,600 300
11/27/85 10,800 (10,600) 10,500 200
11/28/85 14,000 (14,000) 13,800 ---
11/30/85 2,000 (2,300) 2,000 (300)
12/21/85 4,300 3,700 4,600 8,000
12/22/85 1,900 5,600 --- 13,600
12/28/85 860 (900) --- 12,700
12/29/85 500 (500) --- 12,200
12/30/85 14,600 (13,500) 2,400 1,100
12/31/85 --- (300) --- 800
------- -------- ------- -------
Total $87,010 $39,600
<>
IRS's calculations of his gambling expenditures in 1986
are set forth in a schedule attached to the statutory notice of deficiency
as follows:
Summary of Casino Activity for 1986
-----------------------------------
Date Buy-In Win or (Loss) New Money Balance
---- ------ ------------- --------- -------
Carryover
from
12/31/85 800
01/01/86 $ 6,100 $(2,100) $ 6,100 <1> $ 4,800
01/03/86 12,100 (4,200) 7,300 7,900
01/04/86 6,500 (900) --- 7,000
01/05/86 1,600 (1,200) --- 5,800
01/11/86 1,500 (200) --- 5,600
01/12/86 3,500 (4,000) --- 1,600
02/02/86 17,300 (7,400) 15,700 9,900
02/05/86 20,800 (20,800) <2> 10,900 ---
02/05/86 --- --- --- ---
03/06/86 --- 1,900 --- 1,900
03/07/86 500 --- --- 1,900
03/08/86 13,400 (2,400) 11,500 11,000
03/09/86 5,500 (2,800) --- 8,200
03/09/86 11,400 (11,400) 3,200 ---
04/01/86 6,000 (2,700) 6,000 3,300
04/02/86 --- 200 --- 3,500
05/29/86 1,540 1,610 --- 5,110
05/30/86 4,500 4,400 --- 9,510
06/02/86 14,000 6,500 4,490 20,500
06/04/86 <3> --- --- --- 20,500
06/05/86 500 (500) --- 20,000
06/19/86 7,200 11,500 --- 31,500
06/23/86 9,300 (5,100) --- 26,400
07/08/86 2,700 1,650 --- 28,050
07/11/86 1,500 5,100 --- 33,150
07/12/86 6,100 (5,600) --- 27,550
07/24/86 <4> --- (300) --- 27,250
07/28/86 6,200 (5,300) --- 21,950
07/29/86 700 (1,600) <5> --- 20,350
08/04/86 500 500 --- 20,850
08/05/86 1,000 100 --- 20,950
08/06/86 1,100 (700) --- 20,250
08107/86 500 (500) --- 19,750
08/09/86 1,900 1,400 --- 21,150
11/20/86 400 (200) --- 20,950
11/30/86 2,700 (1,125) --- 19,825
12/03/86 400 (175) --- 19,650
12/14/86 900 1,200 --- 20,850
-------- ------- --------- -------
Total $163,840 $65,190
The moral of the post is:
Don't be a part of the high risk groups of people whom are more likely to be audited by the IRS.
For example, the risky groups are:
1) High rollers, who get rated by casinos. You just saw the proof in the above post.
2) Hookers (NV), who get their own member-only websites. IRS always has a way to find out who you are, i.e., a hooker's membership is paid by her credit card.
3) Gamblers, who subscribed to various major gambling magazines. IRS will find out who you are thru the list of paid subscriptions. IRS will make sure you pay your fair share of taxes on your winnings. That why we get a tag-phrase: "Big Brother is Watching, Listening, Reading, Eardropping because President Bush OKs it."
4) Other risky groups that you will immediately think of. Don't be a part of it, which can be traced back to you legally. Use your head & commmonsense. You will be less likely to be audited by IRS if you use your noodles. Don't get me wrong. Do pay your fair share of taxes, but you don't want to expose yourself to the unnecessary risk of being audited by IRS. IRS audit is really stressing, & it costs your time & money to backoff IRS eventhough you are a good taxpayer.
By the way, here's another solid example of the IRS-Targeting-Audit. I overheard complaints between waitresses in casinos. They said they were targeted & audited by IRS as a group, and the audit processes took years to appeal, settle, & finalize. It seems it's not worth to be casino waitresses after what I heard, but hey you get to make a living somehow.
I agree. I generally ask my host when I am ready to check out what my "stats" are. Recently, on back to back trips they underestimated my win by $5,000 and the next trip they overestimated my win by $10,000. I did not have an oppurtunity to "rathole" on those 2 trips, but I did play across shift changes.
Dr 21
Perhaps casinos reviewed your plays & adjusted your winnings accordingly, and "doubled up" your figures to make up the previous mistake.
BTW, have you "burnt" out all Jersey casinos yet? Have they pulled the welcoming mat right underneath your feet? What do you think about the underhanded barring case of our Boardwalk Hero, David Morse?
http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?noframes;read=149762
I'm just curious about your take on it.
S
I played numerous hours in Atlantic City during the early 1990's. The only casinos that took measures against me were the Sands (they used to have an excellent 6 deck game) and the Claridge (they used to have a good 4 deck game). I now occasionally play at the Borgata and Hilton. Most all of my play is in Las Vegas.
From what I have read, David Morse is an admitted cheat and he got what he deserves. There are always 2 sides to every story and I may be wrong about David.
Dr 21
Atlantic City
Posted By: Dr 21
In Response To: Perhaps casinos reviewed your plays & adjusted your winnings accordingly (S)
S
I played numerous hours in Atlantic City during the early 1990's. The only casinos that took measures against me were the Sands (they used to have an excellent 6 deck game) and the Claridge (they used to have a good 4 deck game). I now occasionally play at the Borgata and Hilton. Most all of my play is in Las Vegas.
From what I have read, David Morse is an admitted cheat and he got what he deserves. There are always 2 sides to every story and I may be wrong about David.
Dr 21
Doc, thanks for your reply.
So you prefer LV casinos over Jersey casinos. Ditto. I didn't think so previously because of the extra travel times (2,500 miles!), costly air fares, & misc away-from-home-expenses. However, once I taste of the holecarding & other misc AP's stuff in LV, then it's worth all the troubles to fly to LV. By the way, Big Nick from the Horseshoe caught me doing holecarding & ordered me out of his club with his famous tag-backoff-line: "YOU PLAY HERE NO MORE!"
So you still hang around in Jersey. It's nice to know that you still whack the 2 Jersey casinos. I think you should get ready to add on 2 more playable ones onto your whacking list. I'll post the lowdowns later in the Hilton's thread.
About David, I'm with you about the 2 sides of stories, but I don't think David has cheated Jersey casinos. Just think of this scenario. What if Sands & Claridge critters hated you so much, but they can not bar you legally, so they will pull a "David-Morse" on you. Their scheme will work against you because they don't have to prove that you cheated. NJ CCC has ruled that an accused player has to prove that he does not cheat against casinos. It seems that's what David Morse is against as if he's in a military court.
Anyway, it's always good to find out the stories from both sides. That's why I previously posted NJCCC's bulletin about David & the rebutals from David's lawyer. Again I post both sides of stories here, and it's up to readers to play the jurors. By the way, let's pull a survey. After reading both sides of stories, how many readers believe David's rebuttals?
http://www.njdge.org/exclusion/morse_d.htm
David's side of story per his lawyer's rebuttals
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Let�s say that the house rules say that I must cut at least � deck. The dealer is sloppy and I see that the bottom card is an Ace and I place the cut card such that the Ace will appear as the 30th card dealt. I now play the hands such that I will be dealt that Ace and I bet accordingly. I feel that is not cheating.
On the other hand, if I can twist the cut card as I insert it and because of what I have done (not dealer sloppiness), a card is exposed, then I consider that act cheating. I do not consider it a brilliant AP move.
Likewise, I had great respect for Bryce Carlson when reading his book until I got to the part about �quadruple down.� I consider that cheating and not a brilliant AP move. That�s just me.
Dr 21
