VIP Cards without ID?

>Posted By: DD' on 27 May 03, 9:35 p.m. in response to: VIP cards (EvanK)

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>Get rated and take your comps. Try to get cards without ID when possible and get rated under an alias.

[Since DD's post is so old, I decided to start a new thread.]

DD' (or anyone else who knows):
Any advice on getting the cards without ID? Every time I've gotten one, the PC began by asking for my driver's license. I'm asking because I'm thinking of trying a few new places soon.

Thanks!
Dog Hand

Got a lot of good feedback on my original VIP card question, thanks. Pit bosses always ask for ID, and often a driver's license. I've decided the best practice is to go ahead and get one, and then use it with discretion. For example, after a big win, I probably will not use it again in the same casino on the same trip. If I happen to lose, I will show the card again. There seems to be more reasons to get a card then not. Besides the benefits of comps, you raise a small element of suspicion when you decline the request.

I have received a couple of cards without ever having ever giving over my i.d. However they always then require you to go to the players club to validate the card. If you want an instant comp the pit boss will generally give this out without the card being validated.

"Every time I've gotten one, the PC began by asking for my driver's license."

This is the way that it has worked for me as well. What works fairly well is to initially put-off their offer by saying something like "I never play long enough to get any decent comps anyway". When they insist, say "OK", but make it clear that you don't really care much one way or the other.

After this set-up, the PC will invariably ask for ID. Offer something else such as a credit card, etc in another name (note that this is not "identification"). If they balk, then make up a plausible excuse for not having your ID on you, and offer to fill out the form with address, etc.

I have also found that hosts are alot more agreeable to not requiring valid ID to issue a VIP card, so you may want to make a large buy-in and then immediately request a host. This works even better if you can ask for a host by name and say that another player recommended the host (use a name that the host recognizes).

The key is to get the PC/Host more worried about pissing off a good customer than about failing to identify a card counter.