Vegas in a week...

Taking a trip soon with the wife in tow. Question is: what are some good OFF THE STRIP local type joints for me to count while she plays slots. We have never ventured out to the "local" places before (been downtown of course). I have heard the machine games are better and some of the table rules more favorable. Since she plays nothing but slots, I figure any increase in HER chances is a big increase in MY ev.

Any suggestions, maps, or directions would be appreciated.

NICK

It will provide you a strip, downtown and outlying area gaming venues.

Can't give you any advice on local places to play, others will post to help you I'm sure.

Having just recently played the Western, which is about as low as it gets, yet provides a good SD game, you may need to park the wife somewhere else. Let's just say it's "different", don't go at night

Regards,
Wildcard

Palms is close to the strip and is supposed to have some of the better slots in town. Michael Shackleford, an actuary, did a study on slots here in Vegas and said the Palms had comparatively good slots. His study is very mathematically sound. I don't know how their table games are so you'll have to find the best compromise. I would figure out her hourly expected loss and make sure you are doing better than that at the tables. Slots and VP can be particularly harsh on EV because of the speed factor. If she likes to play more than $.25 VP try to get her to play bingo. Her -EV can be lower despite the higher edge, especially if shes a quick decision-maker when it comes to slots. Also, try to get her to play only 100%+ payback machines with a low volatility.

If she plays 25 cent machines with 5 coins in, and is capable of completing a round every 10 seconds on a 98% payback machine, she'll lose about $10/hr.

Palms has great pen., S17, LS, etc- play the 6 deck- great place to play, not walkable from the strip

Good Luck

... play the 6 deck ...

This is good advice, if you're going to play at the Palms at all.

Avoid their double deck. Many recent backoffs/barrings; it is being used as a counter trap.

Also, if you're a skilled Superfun 21 player, beware of the Palms -- some recent hostile backoffs there, too.

they will probably get rid of all their double deck by the end of the year(my prediction only)they started off with 5 or 6 dd and they now have 3.they are making so much money i dont think they have to offer dd.its like the hard rock.with all the idiots that play there why offer a good game.

Sir/Mam, did it ever occur to you many ploppies are stuck on double deck and refuse to play at casinos that dont offer it?

Yeah, I know......but all the casinos are already making too much money and should go to 6 and 8 deck games(perhaps all csms,while we're at it)because they have so many idiots running around the place.

"Its like the hard rock,with all the idiots that play there, why offer a good game?

Heck,I think the palms oughta do away 3:2 blackjack and go to all 6:5 shoes for that matter. There just aint enough card counters to enjoy 3:2 blackjack over there so why offer it? I'm still waiting for the day all csms take over.