Vegas Conditions

I've recently begun looking into vegas again. Been out of 21 for a while. All I see on this site is info about CSMs and 6/5 payoffs. Has Vegas become such a tourist destination that they just don't offer decent games anymore? I'll order BJ Forum for specific places to play, but is it even worth playing blackjack anymore? If so, is Vegas still the best place? Thanks.

I'll order BJ Forum for specific places to play, but is it even worth playing blackjack anymore? If so, is Vegas still the best place? Thanks.

BJ Forum is out of business. You should order Current Blackjack News from this website.

Vegas still has playable games, but there are certianly more garbage games than ever before.

It is getting harder to find good games in Las Vegas. There are a few left, but the days of walking into nearly any casino and finding a playable game are gone. Current Blackjack News is the best way of getting a thumbnail sketch of the value of the games, but shoe leather is also a prerequisite to finding good games.

Blackjack isn't dead yet, but it is definitely on life support.

Forming some type of group to educate the public about the degradation of the game is the only way to stop the decline in the available games. To do nothing but whine or make excuses about the worsening games solves nothing. The blackjack players need to widely publicize what the truth is via billboards on the Strip, internet, newspaper ads or whatever it takes to get the job done. Sadly, the vast majorty of the players will choose to do nothing (or make never ending excuses) not only about this but also about all the other things in their lives they don't like. I'm glad I did well while the opportunity was plentiful.

The blackjack players need to widely publicize what the truth is via billboards on the Strip, internet, newspaper ads or whatever it takes to get the job done.

The web is the home of grassroots activism because of its cost (almost nothing). Please note my post above. If everyone on this site uses a signature in their e-mail warning the public about 6 to 5, and five friends read it, and spread the message to a further five friends, there will be no one on the planet with a computer who hasn't been exposed to the anti-6/5 message by next Tuesday. I'm simplifying the figures for effect but you get the idea.

directed at the gambling public (via internet, billboards, newspaper/magazines, etc.) in the gambling cities and on related travel websites so that everyone knows what a scam the casinos are running. Imagine giant billboards as you leave McCarron airport along with a website or 800 number directing players to non scamming casinos. Or advertisments on airplane magazines. Get millions of visitors constantly questioning casino personnel about why they have such conditions. I bet the fairer casinos would even advertise on our site to get business. We must stop with the excuses from those who not only fail to accomplish this but probably have a personal lifetime history of never achieving anything. We must overcome those who want to prevent us from getting the word out and find a way to get it done. The same way the successful had found ways to overcome all the obstacles to high stakes play. The players (mostly whining, do nothings) need to either do this right or forfeit their right to complain.

There has been some discussion about advertising on greenchip. Funny thing, though. Las Vegas advertisers won't take those kinds of ads. They aren't going to offend their largest customers.

I just spent my first week in Vegas as a counter. I netted more than $10K in 52 hours of play. I don't know about the rest of you, but to me that is big money.

I say Vegas is still playable.

Imagine giant billboards as you leave McCarran airport along with a website or 800 number directing players to non scamming casinos.

I looked into this several months ago. The cost is from $8000 to $20,000 per month, if memory serves me correctly. ClearChannel and another company control most of the billboards around the airport, and most of the boards are on long-term leases to casino companies.

I also looked at the moving billboards on trucks that are frequently seen around town. Most of their customers are casinos, too.

Every billboard company I spoke with refused to consider accepting anti 6 to 5 ads at any price, fearing repercussions from their casino customers.

LV BJ is still most definately playable and beatable. Ok it as not as good as it used to be but what is ? If you scout hard enough the oppurtunities still exist.

But if all else fails why not diversify into other forms of AP ?

I shant name names but I knw of a regular and well respected member of the community who does well from what would be considered a carnival game by many. Indeed most of my play now comes from a game other than BJ, allbeit at a much slower rate but without the heat ! and with the added bonus of being very believeable cover !

Sometimes we need to get back to basics, I am just starting to get back into coupon/matchplay hustling, granted this is not for everybody but combined with my other forms of AP is is paying dividends right now.

Blackjack has been under threat for some time and the type of comprehensive package you describe, well...no one wants to pay for it. If they did, I suspect they would run into the type of problem Al's talking about below. I just can't see any way to make an old media marketing campaign work, though I'd love to hear suggestions to the contrary.

One thought: radio is a medium which is not hostile to consumer issues. Where is Barfy?...

While some ideas such as Las Vegas billboards may be too expensive(not if you owned the small patch of land it would sit on then it would be free), websites are not. With publicity the whole world would be reading the updated info. They cannot stop that or anything that directs them there such as ads in travel magazines or magazines on airplanes heading for Las Vegas. Handouts on the Strip or even billboards in major cities by airports. This is not difficult. Get the world constantly questioning casino personnel. The internet with such "Inside Las Vegas" information would generate huge national attention eventually and with that would come advertisers funding the site. Our biggest obstacle seems to be us. Find a way or forever forfeit the right to complain. Action is needed in the area of results not finding reasons why we can't do this. We have thousands of players interested in this but the ratio of those with ideas to the naysayers are about one to a million.

...in the form of white rocks on the ground on the final approach.

The big casinos would pay a lot to have the sign taken down. Then after it's down, use the money to advertise in other ways. ;-)

I have been Vegas for 4 days, but I lost $100. Althogh there is my second time to play Blackjack, but I think I did a good job on counting. I am in Vegas downtown, and I found It's hard to find good 1 deck game here, and the penetrate is so poor(less than 50%) for both 2 deck and 1 deck game. I think that's the reason I lost money. How did you guys win money here?

How did you guys win money here?

I backcount the good 6 deck games on the south strip.