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if you guys dont stop fighting im taking my ball and glove and going home! red bored-i apologize for a post i recently made.
red, i live in arizona. the only info i know of true ap's are what i read about in books i get ahold of and what i see on the internet. i BELIEVE most ap's dont see things like you do. you are trying to convince a bunch of card players who look at things as black and white, or by THE LETTER OF THE LAW. from what i understand the court happens to side with us when it comes to most mistakes made by the casino hence, to us the discussion is over, it is legal.
along comes you. you see things as black, white, and grey. you seem to live by the spirit of the law. even though we use the same laws i BELIEVE the letter sides w/ us, the spirit sides w/ you.
this whole mess started when a person with sight (symbolic) tried to teach a man blind from birth (symbolic) what the color red looks like. it aint gonna happen.
are you blind? maybe.
are we blind? maybe.
nobody is gonna change their sides of the arguement.
this whole discussion is also directed at the other guys such as blues 145, math boy, and lvbear584.
mongo is filosofer

the law is the law. The law says its legal and until it changes its legal. The law is set but is open to interprettion then you can challenge it. This is the evolution of laws its called case law. The law and its history(case law) has determined that this issue of a win from a slot machine placed openly by the casino and which was not removed by the casino so as to allow continued play is legal. The person who plays the machine did not alter the machine in any way. He is taking advantage of the machine which is paying out liberally. If the casino made the mistake then its the casino's responsibility. If the guy comes back and wins again it is still the casino's responsibility! If they complain to the police and he is arrested then they better show that the machine was tampered with so as to pay so liberally. They better show it was the player who was arrested that tampered with the machine. The crime is physicaly tampering with the machine. The Intent is to steal money from the tampered machine. The player DID NOT TOUCH/TAMPER WITH THE MACHINE HE MERELY PUT THE MONEY IN AND WON> NO CRIME! NOT GUILTY> You and red bored need to go and play stick ball somewheres else!

Legally, if you see a $20 item at Walmart marked 20 cents by mistake, you are entitled to buy the item at that price. Morally, one must make their own judgement on whether to take advantage of that situation.

It boils down to... people say that casinos are immoral (which I agree with), so because of that I'm gonna be immoral too. Do two wrongs make a right?

The ultimate mistake the slot guy made... returning to the scene of his "crime". "Gee I just robbed a bank and got away with 10 grand, so I'll go back to the same exact bank the next day and rob it again!" Nice move doofus.

Bored red first people can do immoral things that are legal. Morality is subjective...I mean your morals are someone elses curses. Like I said before Morals have been the foundations for some laws but morals are not laws. Buying an under priced item at WalMart is not the same as robbing the same bank twice. WOW! Is this what they teach you at casino survelliance school. The "Mythology of casino law 101" or "Dis is how we gonna run dis town the Casino way graduate studies".

i also agree with the side against red bored. in fact i fully beleve in the letter of the law which you properly stated. i have nothing to argue about with you.

I'm just getting sucked in by all the lively banter that has gone on and I'm only now getting to read since I joined this list today! Have to comment on these grossly erronious concepts of morality with regards to counting that our antagonist has raised. There can be no immorality in playing a game by the rules, shooting straight, and then winning. If a player becomes skillful, it is not theft, it is his legitimate reward for his skill. Likewise, while I think it is immoral for a casino to resort to violence, and also something I believe must be either non-existent (except in the minds and mouths of false myth propagators with a naviely misplaced agenda and fools) or at least extremely rare, it is entirely moral and acceptable for them to alter the game to their heart's content to achieve their maximum profit margin, which is their right as the sponsor and backer of the game. If the game is too difficult for a player, the player can find another career, and if all the players quit because the games everywhere become too difficult, then the games suffer, particularly their reputation for easy payouts, which has incidentally showered untold billions of dollars upon the casino's bankroll. So the logical conclusion is that casino operators don't make the games impossible because of market forces, but make it as difficult as necessary to ensure only a small handfull of very adept counters can actually take any significant amount. Therefore, counting will never be easy, and whiners like Red should just shutup and play a game that doesn't require the mental capacity inherent in counting (not that it is so great, but obviously, some people have a difficult time mastering the skill, as I beleive Red must have, resulting in his terrible frustration and bitterness).

Anyway, just my $.02, well, maybe a bit more like $2.00 worth, but that's it at any rate...

Jon B. - future black chipper and man of great reknown in counting circles (and no, not accepting wagers at the current time for that proposition, openly acknowledging it to be an unfounded boast of what is very possibly naive arrogance, for the time being at least.)

:)

Red Bored, or should I call you Bored Stiff - get a sense of humor.