I am considering spending $50 on: the card counter's guide to casino surveillance by Cellini. It was written in 2003. Would you consider it still to be a good source of understanding how surveillance works today? I know that technology is completely different now so this is more of a question about learning ways to avoid triggering the attention of surveillance.
Cellini has lots of good information about triggering the attention of surveillance, especially in the second part of the book: The Card Counter's Survival Guide. (Glad I was able to get it used, though.)
You might also want to check out Behind the Black Dome by T. Dane, published in 2012.
A personal observation on a trip to Vicksburg, Mississippi Casinos. Visited two days to scout conditions, did not sit down to play. Counted and watched 6 deck game from second floor balcony. As count at a table rose, watched pit boss come over to the table and ask the players how things were going.
On way out of town on highway at 3 in the morning, a police car sped past me only to stop completely in the middle aof the road about 200 yards in front of me. Performed evasive action to avoid a collision.
What you describe above is like from scenes in the movie “21.”
However, I’m particularly interested in another part. Quote, “Counted and watched 6 deck game from second floor balcony.” What do you mean? I can’t even read cards 6 feet away from the table because I don’t have an eagle's eyesight.
About 12 feet away, not bad at all.
Related Software BJ Survey of Henderson, Nevada.
Nonsense! It's probably against the forum will to allow counter-counters to post here.
Nonsense! It's probably against the forum will to allow counter-counters to post here.
We are always happy to see what the dark side is up to. I think GAC was just linking the information for reference. It is nothing new.
I can’t even read cards 6 feet away from the table because I don’t have an eagle's eyesight.
One does not need eagle eyesight. Learn to recognize the cards by the pip pattern.
You probably haven’t learned the art of painting. Whether you can read the cards or not depends on where the observation point and horizon line are.
That is one absurd response, even for you. As usual, you don't understand a simple concept and you try to make it as convoluted as possible.
No, I don't paint. I can barely draw a straight line, but that's irrelevant here. I have back-counted 2 tables while standing behind one of them. And while playing at one table, I've counted a second table on the other side of the pit at Resorts AC, making use of their mirrored ceiling. No artwork required.
I’m glad your eyesight is that good!
At a full-sized table, when I sit at one of the bases, I have to read the pips at the other base. The next table is impossible. I even have a hard time counting a table from across the aisle.
Arnold Snyder wrote about counting systems that people had made for themselves because of their poor vision (mostly involving 7, 8, 9, and pip 10, the ones whose pips I have to read).
I want to clarify my original post since it's truth or validity is in question. I was back counting a 6 deck shoe from a balcony at a Vicksburg Casino. The pit was non- standard in that no Roulette was offered. After counting various shoes from the nearest table below, it finally went very positive. That was when the pit boss came over to introduce himself to others at the table. My assumption of software tracking the shoe by that casion is just that, an assumption.
What I stated about difficulties in leaving is factual, no witnesses.
That’s why I rarely play against a continuous shuffle machine. Whenever I raise up, I will lose big at these machines. I always feel like somebody is watching me with a remote controller. In the near future, pit bosses will hire a robot to do this job.
Continuous shufflers have nothing to do with any of the discussion in this thread.
Exactly. I was trying to make a point. Roulette has nothing to do with this thread. When you make a paragraph here, make it coherent.
While I'm also not sure why the absence of roulette in the pit was relevant, he did not make that the entire point of his very coherent (in my opinion) post.
While I'm also not sure why the absence of roulette in the pit was relevant, he did not make that the entire point of his very coherent (in my opinion) post.
Point understood. Guess the point I am making is a book written by a pit boss may not be necessary to determine casino countermeasures if one makes key observations of put behavior. I noticed no Roulette but means nothing. Only stuck in my mind due to Mississippi's Highway Patrol officer acting in a reckless Rissian Roulette manner with a citizen he has sworn to protect.
