stay out of Trump Plaza

They got a nice little scheme going on if they think you play. You flip a black to the dealer, they immediatley say "thank you dealer's" when you mean change...argued my ass off but to no avail.

Of course you should never "flip" a chip to the dealer. You should put it on the felt, and ask for change, or place it in front of your bet if you intend it as a toke.

I cannot picture, though, the dealer or the pit keeping $100 once it is made clear that the player wants change.

That is theft, pure and simple.

The Casino Control Commission would love to here that one. All you needed to do was to note the pit# and table # and most importantly the exact time of day. Then walk over to the N.J.C.C.C. booth and report it. They will roll the tape back. You will get your $100 and an apology. The dealer will, I imagine, be fired. The casino would also be fined - probably $10,000 for improperly supervising their table games.

Incidentally, what were you doing playing at T.P. ?

Here is what happened to me at T.P. in 1989 or 1990 before I knew what I was doing.

I was playing BJ and over-betting like mad. New cards were brought in and they were shuffled and dealt to me WITHOUT BEING WASHED. I asked the rude and overtly hostile Pit Critter if they intended to deal me the cards without washing them. He replied. "Yes."

Later in the day a N.J. Casino Control Commission Agent told me that I should have reported the incident to them A.S.A.P. as I had waited so long that I could not recall what table/pit/dealer/pit critter etc. was involved. The agent told me that if he had been able to view the tapes and verify the incident Trump would have been fined $10,000 (per occurrence)!

back in the day

"Then walk over to the N.J.C.C.C. booth and report it."

Nope, no such booth exists.

"They will roll the tape back. You will get your $100 and an apology"

Nope.

"The dealer will, I imagine, be fired."

Nope.

"Then walk over to the N.J.C.C.C. booth and report it."

Nope, no such booth exists.

"They will roll the tape back. You will get your $100 and an apology"

Nope.

"The dealer will, I imagine, be fired."

Nope.

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The NJ Gaming Commission maintains a Casino Control Commission Booth in every AC casino as required by law. Since the games are so bad at TP I haven't been there for a while but the booth used to be located just to the left of the cashiers cage and is manned 24/7.

Best Regards,
Card.

O.K. In some casinos it can be described as a booth and in others perhaps it could be described as a counter - but unless things have radically changed, ALL of the N.Y. and N.J. casinos MUST have such manned by one or more agents on duty 24/7. The last time that I actually saw such was last week, not that it was in A.C.

Of course the $100 would be returned (with apology).

About 6 years ago I was short changed when coloring up at Harrah's "Wild Wild West". I failed to notice until I was at the cage a few minutes later. I had been given some black that should have been purple. I angrily proceeded to the ("nonexistent") N.J.C.C.C. booth. My complaint was politely listened to, and less than a minute later I was walked back over to the table that I had just left. When the agent asked about my being incorrectly "colored up" the Pit Critter said that he saw "nothing unusual." The agent told us both that he would review the tape. I waited about 20 minutes. Afterwards I was approached by the a man identifying himself as the casino shift manager. He was gushing with apologies and offers of R.F.B. comps. He had dragged along the (now embarrassed) Pit Critter, who was mumbling apologies as he stared at his feet.

By the way -- Why on Earth would I fabricate such an incident?

Dave Jay incorrectly said there was no CCC Booth, not me. I responded with the following:

"The NJ Gaming Commission maintains a Casino Control Commission Booth in every AC casino as required by law. Since the games are so bad at TP I haven't been there for a while but the booth used to be located just to the left of the cashiers cage and is manned 24/7."

Card.

I cant find odds about players hand,when he must get at least 5 cards in a row.For example 2,A,4,6,7 .It gives bonus ticket.

Second question is about side bet under/over 13
Which count system must i use for that?
Is it possible to beat under/over 13

1. The "Five Card Charlie" bonus is almost worthless - but it does alter how you play your 4 card stiffs.
2. The Over-Under side-bet is VERY easy to exploit. However it is most often not worth utilizing a different count (unless you have a partner at the same table) as the bet is always limited to a small wager.

About 6 years ago I was short changed when coloring up at Harrah's "Wild Wild West". I failed to notice until I was at the cage a few minutes later. I had been given some black that should have been purple. I angrily proceeded to the ("nonexistent") N.J.C.C.C. booth. My complaint was politely listened to, and less than a minute later I was walked back over to the table that I had just left. When the agent asked about my being incorrectly "colored up" the Pit Critter said that he saw "nothing unusual." The agent told us both that he would review the tape. I waited about 20 minutes. Afterwards I was approached by the a man identifying himself as the casino shift manager. He was gushing with apologies and offers of R.F.B. comps. He had dragged along the (now embarrassed) Pit Critter, who was mumbling apologies as he stared at his feet.

First, it's Bally's WWW not Harrah's? If not, then I don't know why they and Showboat let me play so long. That's a moot point anyway.

Second, I can't POSSIBLY see how you, the dealer, the floor, and the eye if bothering to look, mistaking several purple for black at color up, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - unless you are talking about tens of thousands being stacked, but then the eye would of definitely watched. If so, they may have been screwing you over too! Look, until you so graciously point it out, at best it's only a mistake for them, or then it just goes unnoticed.

Third, from what you've written, I take it you weren't identified as an advantage player. And if you were and you show your face around too much, they get nasty. They get real annoyed. They become a different animal. I have a lot of experience at AC with this. I can tell you my incident was a signal saying get the hell out! They can get away with this shit because at best it will look like an accident.
I know what I am talking about

You sate: "I can't POSSIBLY see how you, the dealer, the floor, and the eye if bothering to look . . "

The eye is "looking" because I am betting chunky black. If they aren't looking, the video tape is still running of course !

I'll give you one thing, there definitely exists a CCC "booth" at Trump Plaza. Due to my emotional outburst, with floorman factors and additional learning, I AM WRONG FOR POSTING THAT NO SUCH BOOTH EXISTS AT TP (great acronym for the place). I AM WRONG. YOU WIN THAT POINT.

B U T, I am NOT wrong about the point of my post. Which is, AC TRUMP PLAZA MAY REGARD CHECK CHANGE FOR TOKE if they so desire, and DENY YOU OTHERWISE.

FLASH,
Where are you even playing for these days if you are even for real?