double downs?
Is something wrong,the chart is showing a decrease as the TC increases?
Is something wrong,the chart is showing a decrease as the TC increases?
The chart is a little misleading. Not many of use have heard of rules that says you must hit stiffs. I can easily see why the gain is much higher than naturals,hitting a 15 or 16 against a dealers 5 and 6 is a quick way to go broke.
...you receive less doubl-able(?) hands as the TC rises.
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"The [T-Hopper] chart is a little misleading. Not many of use have heard of rules that says you must hit stiffs. I can easily see why the gain is much higher than naturals, hitting a 15 or 16 against a dealers 5 and 6 is a quick way to go broke."
The chart first gives you the disadvantage you'd have if you'd mimic the dealer. The dealer, or anyone who mimics the dealer, cannot double-down, stand on stiffs or split his pairs : He just hits his hand until he has a total of at least 17. Then the chart lists the advantage that the player gets by being able to do each one of these nice things, splitting, standing or doubling-down -- plus by the fact that he gets paid 3:2 on naturals. The dealer is "paid" 2:2 on naturals.
If you mimic the dealer, you have about the same disadvantage no matter what the count, which made it an excellent starting point for this comparison.
>he gets paid 3:2 on naturals.
UNTIED naturals - another small reason single deck is better than shoes.
blackjack having the less gain... only if we are playing like total morons or the rules say "hit stiffs".
You didn't understand my post. You didn't understand the table with the various strategies' advantages. You didn't understand the objective of this thread. Aprart from that, you're doing just great.
blackjack having the less gain... only if we are playing like total morons or the rules say "hit stiffs".
What you can do with the chart is subtract the different edges at different counts. For example, the gain from standing, at RC = +3 is 6% and at RC = 0, it's 5.1%. So the gain for 3 RCs = 0.9%. The gain for 3 RCs for naturals is only 0.6%.
That said, it's a little difficult to get a firm handle on the gains from the chart, because the baseline (the EV for mimic the dealer strategy) is itself a composite. Also, T-H Basic is an unbalanced running count system that starts at -4 for single deck, instead of zero, which most of us are used to.
What I did, was calculate the probability of getting an untied natural with hi-lo TC = 10 (using the average deck idea, invented by Griffin), then calculated it for TC = 0, subtracted and multiplied by 0.5, then divided by 10 to get average gain from naturals per TC = 0.12%. This is less than half the overall gain we get per TC, documented by Wong and many others, of 0.5% per TC.
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This chart is simply showing the gain of using basic strategy,not various strategies. No wonder the gain is much higher,understand?
"This chart is simply showing the gain of using basic strategy,not various strategies. No wonder the gain is much higher,understand?"
The chart is showing the gain from using the strategies available to the player but not to the dealer.
...But whom am I talking to? No, forget all that. The chart is showing the gain from using basic strategy, you're absolutely right.
