"Quadrupling down"

You may be comparing doubling down to the concept of offensive and defensive pair splits, where, sometimes we split because we lose less than by keeping the paired cards together.

But, doubling, as Steve pointed out, is never like that; we always have an edge when we double, or we'd never bet twice as much.

You may also be thinking that the undoubled EV of drawing just a single card is sometimes less than the EV for being able to hit more than once (for example, 11 v. 10), but the doubling makes up for the shortfall. In those cases, the double-down still has positive EV, however.

Don

Personally, I don't want any kind of an "edge" if I'm getting it by cheating. Suit yourself, if it makes you feel good.

BTW, what's the "edge" over there at your casino if your buddy at 1st base spills his drink on the table so you at third base can reach into the tray and grab a handful of chips and head for the door? How many chips you think you can grab without them seeing you? How fast can you get out the door without them catching you?

The poster illegally doubles his bet and then doubles down. This has the same effect as quadrupling down, considering that the illegal action only occurs when he wants to double. Instead of leaving his bet alone and taking as many cards as he wants, he quadruples the money in the betting circle and takes only one card. That's what would happen if he quadrupled down.

Now, the situations where you would illegally double your bet, if you could get away with it, are not limited to proper doubling down situations, but include EVERY hand where you are more likely to win than lose. But the poster only doubles his bet in a doubling down situation.

Don is right as always. The principle behind doubling down is this: You are never more likely to win a hand if you restrict yourself to just one more card. But when the reduced "edge" is more than half the original edge, doubling down is the right move.

Example: You bet $1. You get some hand and the dealer gets some upcard. Suppose you will win this hand 60% of the time and lose 40% of the time if you hit. Your "edge" is 60%-40% = 20%, and your EV is your edge multiplied by your bet - $1*20% = $0.20.

Suppose if you take only one more card, you will win only 56% and lose 44% Your edge is lower: 12% instead of 20%. But if you double your bet, your EV is $2 * 12% = $0.24. That's more than the $0.20 before. Your doubled bet more than makes up for your reduced edge.

(So therefore, if doubling down has a higher EV than not doubling down, the EV of quadrupling down will always be even higher.)

but the frequency of Clarke's posts is killllling me! :)

Sorry about my confusion. I reread everything today and it makes a lot more sense. I don't know what I was thinking....

--Homer J.

There are several RF signals put out by virtually ALL cameras and VCRs that can indicate whether they are on/off. I used these suggestions to indicate how this is doable. The only radiation is from kissing up to Don too much clones! 42 mhz is the 5th harmonic of the color burst signal found in all cameras, but very strong in modern solid state ones. 72 mhz is good for detecting a variety of frequencies used to convert the sound track to output to a TV off a VCR. All VCRs in casino use have their audio inputs disconected and usually unshielded. Even shielded they put out a hum that gets converted to fm. Every common VCR still does this conversion even when a TV output is not in use; even when a direct feed to a monitor is used.

The power of being able to know when a sky is asleep is just beyond the clones when it is possible instead to crack-back in their worship of Don.

The short FM emitted will be very weak and travel very short distances. If you can get inside the surveilance room maybe you can detect the VCR with your eyes.

Bringing those equipments inside a casino will assure you of arrest if you get caught (who knows what your trying to do), unless you can make it out of a radio with your genius (:

I meant practically "indetectable", if you get close enough to it you may be able to.

to pick up these frequencies can be based on a 1987 Radio-Electronics article that called for modifying a Radio Shack "Flavor-Radio" to pick up shortwave, by soldering a new coil across the AM antenna rod coil. The fm section can be modified for lower frequencies by simply finding the local oscilator coil and pushing the coil spaces together.

The harmonics are a bit stronger than you think in distance. Van-Eck methods are well known in the spy business and can be used to duplicate screen images of virtually any computer monitor screen at ranges of about 1/2 mile. The same applies to the distances involved with these other signals as well.

The Consumer-Tronics company has a list of publications that are very useful for such aims.

Further technical details:

The color burst is at the upper mid range of a video signal, or about 7.8 mhz, while the converters from the audio to fm are at about 72 mhz. These are my choices to avoid spurious responses.

before you respond in clone-speak!

....? Which small walkman type radio? I generally don't play where there is a question on whether the cameras are on, but there are possibilities during construction that cannot be overlooked. The Palace Station after that lightening strike recently was one. I used a GPX analog walkman with cassette player with the bass boost switch attached to an extra coil across the am antenna rod. In THIS SPECIFIC RADIO it was 3 and 1/2 turns arround an about 1/4 inch ferrite rod, and signal at a dial position of 1430 am.

For any SW out of Flavor Radio type mod, add 455 khz to the dial frequency, multiply that by the likely harmonic of the local oscilator of the am section, and subtract then 455 khz, to get the target frequency.

You might aim for the actual frequency of the color burst crystal etc. too. This should cover the camera on detection.

During the expansion of the video poker area of AZ Charlies West, one of the contruction workers, independant of me, used a similar setup, homebrewing his own, to test which cammeras were on, to avoid having to reopen the bubbles etc., to see the "red leds."

Are you a Griffin Goon to have not known that this type of RF detection is so well known??? No one except a Griffin Geek would suspect too anyone having a walkman with them in the casinos.

A favorite site is Harry's Homebrew, which has about 8 urls it can be reached at. There are some experimental circuits at amasci.com listings that are good for this as well.

Also how can Quantum algorithms be use to answer why neurons in the human brain consisting of only atomic particles can have a theory of mind?

How does Quantum theory explain the production of natural amino acids?

Does the free market behaviour exhibit any psychological biases?

Does the metamorphosis theory in biology apply to human behaviour and learning? What is the proofs?

How many dimensions are in this universe? And how many dimensions exists in fractal geometries?

What are the links of the string theory with the Quantum theory?

Does time exist in the blackhole?

Thanks in advance for your insights,
NA

A natural sits inside of a box. The question is whether the ace is a spade, heart, diamond or club? Furthermore, if a dome camera is mounted inside the top of the box and then zooms in on the cards, do they still comprise a natural?

If you are dealt a natural composed of the A and T of diamonds and the dealer then runs at your cards so fast that they appear blank to her, does she still have to pay you 3:2?

Most of your questions would take an entire book to answer, though one could be answered by a simple yes or no. So, to answer that question, yes, time does exist in a black hole.

"So, to answer that question, yes, time does exist in a black hole."

So.....what is your reasoning? Blackholes don't contain light particle photons. Einstein said that time is relative to light. So if we slow down the photon with densely packed atoms in an artificial setting we can obstruct the pathway of the photon. Slowing it down, thus speeding things up (An experiment done in Harvard few years ago). But with no light in blackholes how can we have time?

Where is Clarke Cant hiding?

Ok, you got me. The jury is still out on this one and the answer given was merely my opinion. There is also the matter of definition: do you consider the black hole to be everything within the event horizon or the assumed central singularity itself? Spacetime is thought to exist within the event horizon but it is questionable what happens at the singularity itself. The smallest measure of time, a chronon, may, in fact, be discreet, in which case, as I understand it, this would cause time to be undefined 'in' the singularity itself. Since this board is probably not the most appropriate place for such a discussion (how long would it take the dealer to pay you if you got a blackjack inside the event horizon of a black hole...could you get barred from a casino inside a black hole...would third base and first base be the same seats in a black hole...how many hands per hour could you expect in a black hole with 3 other players at the table...would it be possible to spread to 2 hands...?), I can only refer you to two interesting discussions of such matters (note: the former has countless interesting references and the latter is quite technical and assumes some familiarity with Quantum Theory and General Relativity):

'Time Machines' (Paul J. Nahin, 1999 Springer-Verlag)
'The Nature of Space and Time' (Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose, 1996 Princeton University Press)

Sincerely,
Dorkus Maximus