Q for Mr.Cellini

If a guy comes into a casino and seems to win a lot but surveillance arent sure if he is using some advanced form of advantage play or just plain lucky.ie he is not raising bets as a counter normally would.
Will he be barred anyway or will they continue watching him to statistically determine whether he is just lucky or not?

A lot depends on the place.
Some places such as The Barbaric Coast are such sweatboxes that they'll sometimes toss anyone who even has a single winning session, regardless of whether they are using counting, a progression, or an Ouija board. I've seen it.
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Others might have a PB camp out at the table and closely hawk the game, to see how the player reacts, or the PB might strike up a conversation with the player and see if he has trouble talking while (supposedly) counting, or have the PB make a few pointed comments in conversation that only a counter would understand, and see how the player responds.
There are a million ways that places can react and/or take action before tossing someone, and often each place has its own way of trying to ferret out regular winners from the occasionaly lucky tourist. But there are many times taht nothing is said or done before the tap, too. It just comes out of the blue sometimes.
One odd time was when I saw a PB go over to a guy and say "Sir, if you're going to vary your bets that much, I'm going to have to ask you to play somewhere else."
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Since that place isn't real sweaty, you can bet that PB doesn't just say that to every ploppy who swings their bets around. Either he or the eye had been watching the guy.
IMHO, in short, if you are a regular winner at their place, then sooner or later, you are going to be heavily scrutinized.
Probably more often sooner than later.
Take care,
@^)
Cyclops

Thanks,thats why i feel my time at my local casinos could be coming to an end,as i have had a lot of winning sessions lately,I was thinking of taking a break from playing to learn more advanced methods such as ace and shuffle tracking,both for increased win rate and for camo.

Then i will return and see if i can actually implement these methods with sucess,and opinions on this plan?

My experience is that eventually it becomes hard to play. I have not found any casino that will tolerate a card counter, even a red chipper for extended periods. If you bet green you'll be watched very early if you appear skillful. So then, how do win and last.

1. Wong in with minimal bet variation (boring).

2. Learn shuffle tracking (very hard).

3. Learn some sophisticated camoflauge betting (easy to learn, generally costs you edge, but some techniquies increase variance and maintain edge).

4. Switch to Poker. Best option. But game is slow compared to BJ and game is harder to learn to play well.

Bert

to register some losses. It is the best free way to cover your tracks.

thanks for the advice.
1. Wong in with minimal bet variation (boring).
my locals are quite small so this is not really viable,i cant wong out ok.anyway i dont care if it is boring,winning money is nort boring

2. Learn shuffle tracking (very hard).
very hard?good that is a challenge,makes it seem more interesting!

3. Learn some sophisticated camoflauge betting (easy to learn, generally costs you edge, but some techniquies increase variance and maintain edge).
mmmm,i usually play shoes so depth charging or opposition betting wont bring me much i think

4. Switch to Poker. Best option. But game is slow compared to BJ and game is harder to learn to play well.
mmmmmm,you have read my mind.I have been thinking of this lately.and it does seem poker is a lot harder to learn than BJ,you can learn BJ by numbers but poker seems to take a lot more savvy.I have started playing online for small stakes and i have ordered a few books on the subject,actually it seems a lot more risky than bj,but i will try it and see what happens