Playing conditions opinion wanted

Which of the following two playing conditions would be better for a counter who is using the hi-lo system?

Six deck shoe, dealer stands on all seventeens, double on any two cards, double after split allowed, resplitting aces allowed, no surrender, dealer places the cut card two decks from the back.

Or

Sex deck shoe, dealer hits soft seventeen, double on any two cards, double after split allowed, resplitting aces is not allowed, no surrender, dealer places the cut card one deck from the back.

Go for the second one. Penetration is much more important than S17 and resplitting aces.

even Blackbelt in Blackjack (for the SPI) to answer questions like that. The one deck cut off is the better game.

Aside from overall advantage differences you need to find out what specific true count points equate with what advantage. You need this information to bet more accurately since their is a substantial difference in the initial disadvantrage.

While the deeper penetration is generally better, it is also a factor that the amount of true count you need for higher betting in the 6 deck h17 game is significantly increased due to the bad rules. That being the case the frequency of getting to those higher true counts in a 6 deck game presents far fewer opportunities. If you consider that in 6 deck:

S17, DAS, RSA is about -.33
H17, DAS is about -.60

Also if you wong out at a certain point, you will have to leave far sooner in the H17 game as your disadvantage will get worse much quicker at a lower true count.

As for the simulator, skip all the rest just use Casino Verite.

These games are all roughly about the same in terms of SCORE.

A six deck s17 das game with surrender and 1.8 decks cutoff
A six deck s17 das game without surrender and 1.3 decks cutoff
A six deck h17 das game without surrender and 1.0 decks cutoff
A six deck h17 das game with surrender and 1.5 decks cutoff.

So, unless the s17 das shoe game is dealt down to 1.3 decks, the h17 das shoe game is generally better. (Note, sim results above are dependent on the bet spread used...the tighter the bet spread and later the wongout point, the more damaging the h17 rule becomes and the less beneficial late surrender is).

There are many variables to enter into a simulation such as playing conditions, number of players at the table, bet spread and specific betting and playing strategy and many other items. Therefore there can be very small differences based on some of these different variables. However, the differences between the two games being discussed are quite noticeable. I ran a simulation to test the advantages for the two games and the results were as follows:

200,000,000 hands, 1-10 spread:

S17, Das, Rsa 4/6 decks dealt == .73

H17, Das 5/6 decks dealt == .96

It is appreciated. It certainly looks like the deeper penetration game is the best for me to play, despite the H17. (I don't have many options where I live.) I guess I made a Freudian slip with that "Sex deck shoe."

Thanks again,

Ray

Would you play this game?

8 decks, S17, D9, DAS, no repliting of aces, only 1 card dealt on split aces, no surrender.

Thinking of trying my luck. I don't have any options at all. This is the only game available where I live.

Or Should I just play poker instead?

they were cutting off 40 cards.

Hrm I think they cut off maybe 80 cards at least. Not really sure. Just a rough estimation. Oh well, I am staying away from Blackjack, it requires a too big bankroll, and conditions are lousy here anyway. I'm off to poker, gluck all.

Its not.