I'm interesting in opinion about (Playing all (alone) vs Wonging (full table)). If we asume that only with BS you are at 0% advantage.
My opinion is that with Play all you have 1 and something % advantage and if you caclulate the money wageered and played hands it's the beteer choice, than to play slow (full table) where you have less action and less money wagered.
you consider wonging, but state that you will have a 0% advantage with BS.....THEN DON'T WONG IN.....?????!!!!?????!!!!!
regardles of what BJ game you're playing and the number of players at the table. It's real simple; play when you have an advantage - don't play when you don't.
How about comparing apples to apples...heads up wonging vs heads up play-all. In the ideal world, wonging wins out. In the real world, wonging seldom outperforms just spreading very big and sitting out the worst counts.
Let me explain little bit more my point.
My question is how much you will earn per/h.
My opinion was that you put more money on the table with less advantage in play all positive and negative shoes (alone on the table) than you put in wonging full table, where the advantage should be bigger.
When I play alone (heads up) I play 2 hands with total of 60 bets on each shoe.
When I play full table I play 1 hand that�s 11 bets per shoe.
If I chouse to Wong in on +1 count it should be very slow game, very little money put in game. The most of the time count is around 0. It will be theoretically let say max 4 hands in 1 shoe.
So the money the money on wonging should be very big or the advantage of wonging.
The formula is:
Advantage x Mooney Wagered = earning/h
So should I chouse the busy ours, or when the table is empty. Put more money on the table with less advantage, or put money with bigger advantage.
The game is with ES.
> My opinion was that you put more money on the table with less
> advantage in play all positive and negative shoes (alone on the
> table) than you put in wonging full table, where the advantage
> should be bigger.
This is true if you decide to use the same bet spread for play-all and Wonging. However, the optimal betting schedule will be quite different for those two scenarios.
If you decide to play-all you will need a very large bet spread so that your wins will overcome all of your small (but very frequent) losses. For that reason your minimum bet (and unit size) will have to be very small.
If you backcount instead you will only be playing when you have the advantage. That means that you can use a larger minimum bet since you do not have to �earn back� all the money from the negative counts. When you backcount you have two options:
1) Use the same bet spread. This will drastically reduce your variance and ROR, but will not change your win rate very much. You will have a similar win rate but your risk has been reduced. This is good for low stakes players who are trying to safely build up their bankroll.
2) Adjust your be spread to maximize your EV. This will increase your win rate and will keep your ROR the same. Your short term variance will increase since you are using a larger unit size, but your overall ROR will be the same because of the higher advantage. This is what most well financed players would do.
Using the optimal bet spread for each game will show a higher hourly win rate for the backcounting game.
> If I chouse to Wong in on +1 count it should be very slow game,
> very little money put in game. The most of the time count is around
> 0. It will be theoretically let say max 4 hands in 1 shoe.
The count will be negative or neutral about 65-75% of the time. Depending on how many hands per hour the table is playing you might only be playing 15-30 hands per hour. However, your bet spread should have been adjusted to account for this. You should be making fewer bets but they will be larger and you will have a larger overall advantage. If done correctly, your hourly win rate will increase by backcounting.
> So should I chouse the busy ours, or when the table is empty. Put
> more money on the table with less advantage, or put money with
> bigger advantage.
Putting more money on the table with less of an advantage is usually not a good idea. The concept behind Advantage Play is to optimize your strategy in order to get the highest EV within a reasonable degree of risk. All things being equal, when given the choice you should always prefer to backcount.
-Sonny-
playing heads up play all to trying to wong full tables. Of course, heads up is a better game, but not for the reason you think.
Ideally in computer simulation wonging is better but practically, like I said is though to wong with people who don't now the BS "(you will change their order of cards)" and to fool the pit boss (dealers)at the same time.
who are concerned with "flow of the cards". Don't pay attention to people who don't like the fact that you are changing the outcome of everyone's hands from one kind of random to another kind of random. Hopefully they will leave the table and you're there playing heads-up with a possitive pack.
Not always of course, but quite often if I wongout to the restroom or because "I just can not win this shoe and am waiting for the next one", there will be some flow guy who goes from one to two hands just to keep that flow thing going. Since the count is negative, he is now eating extra cards just for me. Nice guy.
What is "backcount", what is "ROR", what is "EV"?
> What is "backcount", what is "ROR", what is "EV"?
Backcounting is when you watch a blackjack game and count the cards without playing. If the count goes high enough you would start playing and leave as soon as it got too low. Many people use the term "Wonging", especially around here, although there are so many variations of Wonging that I prefer to use the term "backcounting" in certain cases since it is more specific.
ROR is short for risk-of-ruin. It is the probability that you will lose your entire bankroll due to variance. With a 5% ROR you have a 1-in-20 chance of going broke. Your betting strategy will depend greatly on how much risk you are willing to accept.
EV is your expected value. It is the amount you expect to win from playing blackjack. Most people will talk about EV in terms of hourly win rates so an EV of 1.5 units would mean that you expect to win 1.5 units each hour that you play.
-Sonny-
Thank you. I have been playing BJ full time for 18 months, the result is even. I think I need another job to support me to go through unlucky deviation time as I mentioned 6 consecutive lose last week. And the NY gorvement will provide me free career training, my question is what is the right career for card counter?Stock broker? Buy future?Buy option? gold trade? Mutural fund or foreign curreny trade, etc.? I imagine I should do something related to some sort of gambling. Could you or you could recommend somebody to answer my question? Maybe some BJ fellow are already in those business I mentioned above. Thank you for attention to this.
