how profitable is it???what sort of $$$ are you making???
are there any websites/books that go into depth about this???
do you just minimum bet and pray you have a anything but bad run???
how much do you normally deposit etc...
just feel like a break from the land casinos....this seems like a way to put in less hours but still make a bit of $$ until i hit the terra firma again
..can be found at Yahoo's Card Counter's Cafe, and the new online bonus hustling board at BJFonline.
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how profitable is it???what sort of $$$ are you making???
Generally speaking its an order of magnitude above other forms of advantage play such as card counting, poker and sports betting.
are there any websites/books that go into depth about this???
No current books because you just can't publish a book fast enough to keep up. As Adam says, the CCCafe isn't bad, also try the Wizard Of Odds and gamemasteronline.com. Also, try internet green here, which has low volume but high quality.
how much do you normally deposit etc...
Whatever gets you the max value of the bonus/rebate/other promotion.
just feel like a break from the land casinos....this seems like a way to put in less hours but still make a bit of $$ until i hit the terra firma again
Be careful, its likely you won't want to go back...
1. Learning curve is steep
2. Accounting/collecting can be a pain in the ass
3. All the advantage player sites for this form of work (FatBonus for example) are closed to new members...players are somewhat secretive.
4. Money earned is directly correlated to effort
5. Money Management is more important than skill
bigplayer, money management is my specialty
2. Accounting/collecting can be a pain in the ass
Amen to that. Often I wonder why I quit working only to have to deal with more bureacracy than I could have imagined. On balance its worth it though.
4. Money earned is directly correlated to effort
To a large extent-however there are strategies I've blundered across which significantly improve productivity. The area is almost uncharted in terms of theory-and theory in this area can yield substantial rewards rather than the hair-splitting 0.00001% we associate with counting refinements.
As every week goes by the wagering requirements are getting tougher.When i started last year the first 40 casinos i did were all 7X(deposit+bonus) or less.ie for a 100$ bonus wager 1400.
Now the usual seems to be 12 to 15 times.A lot are 20 times.
Aslo i was able to cash in my deposit anytime,now you cant cash in at all until you do the WRs.
If i was you i would look for the lowest WRs and just min bet 2$,to get you started.But get a comfortable cushion.
Yes there will be a lot of hassle with getting your money back aswell.It just takes a click to deposit but you have to go thru a load of shite at some places to get it back.
But the good thing is that it is easy money even with bad luck you will still be ahead.
to show what i mean I am up only 250$ this year after going thru an unbelievably bad streak.I have received 1270$ in bonuses,so i have lost at a rate of 80%.
I dread to think how much i would have lost if counting at a land casino.
I'd say real quick. The online casino's have already been burnt by the general public playing baccarat, roulette, craps. Now many sites don't allow BJ.
As less & less sites allow BJ, there will be more pressure on the ones that do allow, this vicious circle will spiral inwards very quickly. Add more people doing it and I can't see many more months ahead.
I'd say real quick. The online casino's have already been burnt by the general public playing baccarat, roulette, craps. Now many sites don't allow BJ.
My understanding is that these strategies are still viable, though I am not sure if the casinos understand that the countermeasures are ineffective.
Add more people doing it and I can't see many more months ahead.
My impression is that there will be less people doing it. My brother signed up with Gaming Club in November, won some money and is still trying to cash out due to an incomprehensible (or even imaginary) PIN-based security system they have inaugurated for new players. No one will put up with that shit for long, skilled or otherwise.
"My understanding is that these strategies are still viable"
I don't qu' that, simply that if roughly all the casino's have caught onto not offering baccarat, craps, roulette, & half have caught onto not offering BJ, how long till the other casinos follow suit.
"though I am not sure if the casinos understand that the countermeasures are ineffective."
I think you're referring to required t/o. Less said the better :)
"My impression is that there will be less people doing it. My brother signed up with Gaming Club in November, won some money and is still trying to cash out due to an incomprehensible (or even imaginary) PIN-based security system they have inaugurated for new players. No one will put up with that shit for long, skilled or otherwise."
I have only just started & I can concur with this view. I put the max in Piggs Peak, & did the t/o in the latter, over 15-20 min. Now they've changed to no BJ & I'm worried they may backdate the ruling, ie no bonus, no winnings paid. Just have to wait & see. Of course many players would sweat this money, especially small bankroll pro's who are playing min. betting units to avoid fluctuation.
I was also a little paranoid of the sky falling upon discovering McGarvey's site also. I emailed him once & found him very helpful, although I felt his name was conspicuous by it's absence in one of your replies on bonus hustling considering your glowing review of his book.
I have only just started but don't bet his recommended units, preferring to bet $10-$20 units (time is money). I am actually thinking about betting higher, say $50 units, figuring to blow most of the bonuses, compensated by positive fluctuations on the others. Thus there's less time consuming withdrawal procedures, as I'll be withdrawing from less casino's. Also maybe big bets would take the heat off cashing out? Of course the drawback of such a system would be that I wouldn't be able to monitor if my results were indicative of a fair game for some time, which is why I'm scared to jump this way.
As I only started a few days ago, so far my wins are only theoretical, ie I have yet to see any cash!, but I'm optimpistic, whilst fearing the worst.
I don't qu' that, simply that if roughly all the casino's have caught onto not offering baccarat, craps, roulette, & half have caught onto not offering BJ, how long till the other casinos follow suit.
Preventing these games from qualifying for a bonus doesn't mean the strategy isn't viable. I'm not going to spell it out in public, but bear in mind that losing your deposit also voids the wagering requirements. Two-man play is the key.
Now they've changed to no BJ & I'm worried they may backdate the ruling, ie no bonus, no winnings paid.
I may have to eat my words on this-but right now I'd say this is very very unlikely, you are probably worrying for no reason.
I emailed him once & found him very helpful, although I felt his name was conspicuous by it's absence in one of your replies on bonus hustling considering your glowing review of his book.
No, it is more the case that Rob & me have an obvious affiliation and I dislike all that brazen back-slapping stuff. I don't feel the need to help Rob much with his marketing-he's much better at it than I am, and his expertise speaks for itself.
I have only just started but don't bet his recommended units, preferring to bet $10-$20 units (time is money). I am actually thinking about betting higher, say $50 units, figuring to blow most of the bonuses, compensated by positive fluctuations on the others.
$50 is maybe a little too aggressive but I agree. I can't blame Rob for wanting to bask in the luxury of low variance-this is not bad advice, its just a question of personal utility.
As I only started a few days ago, so far my wins are only theoretical, ie I have yet to see any cash!, but I'm optimpistic, whilst fearing the worst.
Yes, everyone's like that at the start. You'd have to be made of steel to feel otherwise. Don't worry you will get all the money, and most of it pretty quickly, though you might have a lot of bureacratic hassle in front of you to get the full 100% of it.
'Now they've changed to no BJ & I'm worried they may backdate the ruling, ie no bonus, no winnings paid'
agree with john...if the bonus was being offered at the time you played, and you qualified for it then it should be paid...shouldnt worry...
at first i thought betting minimum bets (1-2$ bets), but realising that ill need to bet at least 10* the amount (for a matching $100 bonus, this would be $2k wagered)
at 1000-2000 hands this is a long time...
buying in for 50 units seems decent....let a sim go, 11000 hands, $1000 BR $3 bets, lowest BR was about 880s. highest was about 1100...
course youd want (need) to hit quite a few casinos a day...
i think that the casinos will bring back bonuses for BJ, bacc etc....
the bonuses will become unattractive and wont lure so many players...
most people who wanna play slots will go to their local casino or club...or would i be wrong??
anyway i started checking alot of the casinos...only about half i found didnt allow bonuses for close to even games...
i think that the casinos will bring back bonuses for BJ, bacc etc....
In addition, you can bet the bonuses for alternative payment systems such as netteller will always be there. The casinos suffer more from a gambler who charges back his credit card than from an advantage player. Keeping the bonus for deposit methods such as netteller saves money.
Granted, a 10% (typical for netteller) bonus isn't much to get excited about, but its still a much better deal than trying to count cards or play video poker professionally.
