I imagine this has been answered many times, but are there any online casinos that have a good, fair (beatable) Blackjack game? I have a hard time trusting their programming, especially when they are out of reach on some Carribean island.
Do you use card-counting against any of them with success?
I imagine this has been answered many times, but are there any online casinos that have a good, fair (beatable) Blackjack game? I have a hard time trusting their programming, especially when they are out of reach on some Carribean island.
There are good sites out there which offer fair blackjack (at least within reason, ie a % or two, since an unobtainable number of trials would be needed for statistical confirmation of absolute fairness). Most shuffle after every hand. Global Player and Crockfords offer multiple deck games with shallow penetration. Ordinarily these games woud suck but there are certain advantages of counting online which partially compensate...Cryptologic casinos offer an 8-deck game with a 2 deck cut-that is such a poor game though that nothing really compensates for it. I think OddsON's blackjack.com has some countable games but I can't verify their fairness personally.
Also Boss Media offer a single-deck game. Its shuffle-up after every hand but has a small edge off the top.
I have a hard time trusting their programming, especially when they are out of reach on some Carribean island.
Cheating is much less of a problem online than simple non-payment. None of the countable casinos will stiff you and I have heard no confirmed reports of abnormal results beyond the usual "I last five hands in a row the software is rigged" stuff.
Many of the online casinos are regulated in Britain or Australia, where they have much higher standards of regulation than in Nevada.
Do you use card-counting against any of them with success?
The only real reason for an advantage player to count cards online, is that they have a card counting fixation or they are qualifying for a bonus. In the latter case counting adds little to your EV but can help with the flux, though fewer casinos allow blackjack for qualification every day.
I did try and attack Global Player's 2-deck game with 40% penetration testing it for small stakes with a $1-$12 spread. I was really convinced they couldn't offer a game like that which was honest because you could shuffle up at will by leaving the game, so you never had to play negative counts. Over a couple of days I'd managed to lose $160, though that was not a statistically significant result. I got distracted by other opportunities and I think the game got pulled afterwards.
The real money online is elsewhere...on Friday for example I played a roulette promotion where my expected value was about $40,000 for two hours play, or 80% of my initial bankroll. I'd have passed up a single-deck game dealt to the last card with ES for that. I think you'd be missing the point to focus on card counting.
Thanks for the insight, John. I appreciate it. But I didn't understand what you meant by the following:
"The real money online is elsewhere...on Friday for example I played a roulette promotion where my expected value was about $40,000 for two hours play, or 80% of my initial bankroll. I'd have passed up a single-deck game dealt to the last card with ES for that. I think you'd be missing the point to focus on card counting."
I've always heard that roulette is one of the poorest games a gambler could play. And if I understood you correctly, you somehow expected to win $40K in 2 hours? Man, I'm missing something.
There is probably a whole world of online information and books about online casino gambling that I'm not aware of. But for a complete neophyte, could you explain a little about how online casinos can give-up this kind of "gold"? Where do I start to learn about this? Or would you have to kill me if you told me? You can email me directly if you want.
Intriguing.
On-line casinos offer things like sign-up bonus and other promotions. Much in the same way real land casinos offer comps.
You know all the free food, entertainment, drinks, rooms, etc., you get from the casinos while you make a piddly $25 an hour putting in the hours at the tables.
About all on-line casinos can offer is cash, or bonus chips, or rebates on losses. Usually they require you to give them some action with their 'free' money before you can cash it out.
So the challenge is to find games with low house edge to grind out the action required, and cash out the remaining bonus money. This is one method, there are other promotions, referal bonuses, etc.
on Friday for example I played a roulette promotion where my expected value was about $40,000 for two hours play, or 80% of my initial bankroll
For this promo, the player needed to hit a specific roulette number twice in a row. The promo lasted two hours. A cursory glance at this suggests that your EV is off quite a bit--but I could be wrong
Would you care to show your calculations? You don�t have to mention the casino name.
Thanks
It didn't look that attractive initially, but you (like me) probably don't play much online roulette. If you turn off all the graphics, sound and total calcs the speed of play isvery fast. I clocked 18 spins a minute (obviously SOTA connection). That means you get an opportunity for the 70-1 second wager payoff every two minutes. So, thats 60 opportunities in two hours with a roughly 90% edge. The casino in question, which I don't think should be named, offers me a 500 pounds sterling limit on single numbers. So you can see with a minor adjustment to account for the time taken to raise your bet from minimum to the table max, we are in the ballpark of 26,000 pounds sterling, which I think is about 40,000 dollars at the moment.
I've always heard that roulette is one of the poorest games a gambler could play. And if I understood you correctly, you somehow expected to win $40K in 2 hours? Man, I'm missing something.
It is, I was only playing because of a specific promotion which Bumpy explains below. Though, weirdly, I also came second in a roulette tourney that week scooping a significant share of the prize pool, so last week I suppose I qualified as a professional roulette player.
There is probably a whole world of online information and books about online casino gambling that I'm not aware of.
Yes and no. Writing and publishing a book just takes too long. The industry changes dramatically every few months.
But for a complete neophyte, could you explain a little about how online casinos can give-up this kind of "gold"? Where do I start to learn about this? Or would you have to kill me if you told me? You can email me directly if you want.
Its not difficult to find this stuff. In fact I can't keep it out of my mail box. You've probably had the same match bonus offers. Just use the search engines and join us at the CCCafe.
I'd be stuggling to get 10k within 2 weeks. Of course, that's playing at a much lower ROR, so I can use a much smaller BR.
I am simply not aware of many of the opportunites you guys come across. I just keeping hitting those pesky little signups over and over.
It's much more profitable than counting, even with today's online conditions. You can play at a minimum level of ROR but still get a greater income than most counters. You could also use a much larger BR and earn insane amounts of money. You need to know the right people for that though...
Sheesh. I'm new to all this. What's ROR and BR?
Rate of Return?
Bandit Rules?
Thx
> Sheesh. I'm new to all this. What's ROR and BR?
ROR = Risk of Ruin, BR = bankroll.
Many of the acronyms you will come across are listed in the BJ Glossary (there should be a link in the frame on the left).
Right now I'm making alot of money, for any age. I'm young, I think I'm on top of the world (nearly am ;), so of course I'd have to show it and throw my opinion around. Sometimes I give out a bit too much info. Basically the veterans probally don't trust me with valuable info. Ah well, maybe in time...
You say you're EV over 2 hours was 40k...Ah man I managed more than that once, but it was over a period of around 2 minutes. I'm still in the 3 figures (EV wise). I guess I shouldn't be complaining,it's more than most APs out there.
are intended for a specific player or players and only available to the people it was mailed to. I would have no problem letting anyone know about these big deals when they pop up and are available world wide, but have found that BJ21 is NOT the forum to recommend them thru. There are too many greedy AP's that take fits when you show people the mother load, give them a pick and a light, and a burlap sack to put the golden nuggets in.
I knew about this promo because they sent me a mail. If I hadn't received the invitation I wouldn't have known. I did nothing special to get on their list. Its just dumb luck which will come round for you eventually.
but I'm not really sure how you go about being a valuable player...
I play signups. To get these valuable deals, I assume they'd want quite a bit of action first. That means playing without advantage, something that most APs won't do.
How do you position yourself, so the casino sees you as a valuable player, without playing at a disadvantage?
Playing signups is getting very, very boring. At least I'm near the end of this cycle, maybe have a week off.
