NEW 5 DECK AUTO SHUFFLERS ARE COMING.

JUST A WORD TO ALL MY FRIENDS OUT HERE REGARDING THE NEW 5 DECK AUTO SHUFFLERS. I'M AFRAID THESE MACHINES WILL BE EVERYWHERE IN THE FUTURE MAKING THE PROFESSIONAL CARD COUNTER A THING OF THE PAST.

Even the ploppies dislike CSM's, and their use seems to be in decline.

What is so special about the "five deck auto shuffler." Please clarify.

Thanks.

THEY CONSTANTLY SHUFFLE THE DECK AFTER EVERY HAND. THE WORD IS THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE ON EVERY TABLE IN THE COUNTRY. ANOTHER CASINO COUNTER MEASURE AGAINST CARD COUNTERS.

This type of CSM has been in the casinos for a while and have been losing favor because of the cost to rent. The players don't like nor trust them so they remain less active than other BJ tables. The casinos don't like to pay for something that is not being used. This was an attempt to eliminate card counters but not successful.

In summary what happened was this: some players learned how to beat them, the dealers and the ordinary gamblers dislike them, and casino management doesn't like paying for the lease. Some stubborn casinos with a pathological hatred of card counters insist on using them in spite of the massing evidence to suggest they are just not financially viable as anything other than a short-term curiousity.

CSM's have been around for over a decade. We are onto the fourth or fifth generation of these devices, and you would have thought that someone, somewhere would have understood by now that you can't polish a turd.

UNFORTUNATLY THIS NEW MACHINE, WHICH AN INDUSTRY INSIDER TOLD ME IS MADE BY BALLY GAMING WILL BE PART OF THE FUTURE OF BLACKJACK AND ACCORDING TO THIS INDIVIDULE, WILL MAKE THE CARD COUNTER OBSOLETE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF EVERYONE HERE WOULD TELL THE CASINOS WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BJ GAMES.

....to see how this machine could be any different. Basically, the problem seems to be that continuously shuffled blackjack games were not accepted as blackjack-hand shuffling appears to be something people insist on. I can't conceive of any way round that. They can make the machines harder for advantage players to beat-at least if they actually understood advantage play properly-but that won't make any difference to the ploppies.

How about turning off the caps? There is no need to shout here.

I don't like it either, but it sounds like there are alot of players in denial out here. Time will tell, but trust me I predict within 2 year card counters will be a thing of the past.

Sorry my friend, but whether you like it or not, traditional blackjack is HERE TO STAY.

"The End Is Near!" was first used in reference to blackjack in 1962, the year that Edward 0. Thorp's book "Beat the Dealer" was published.

AS LV Bear asked above, what change has been made to CSM's that suddenly cause them to be a threat to counters?

CSM's have been around for a long time, and their use is DECLINING, not increasing. The reason for this decline is that even non-counters dislike the things. After all, how can there be a flow of the cards if they are continuously shuffled?

I also do my part by telling ploppies about the rumor I heard (or maybe just made up) that CSM's have a mechanism where surveilance can control the next card. I actually had a dealer get into an argument with me about this once. He quieted down when I insisted that he take the casing off of a CSM so that we could see whether there was a radio receiver inside. Maybe he was afraid that I was right?

Ploppies already believe there is a conspiracy when a dealer hits a 5 to a 16 and beats their pat 20. Its just a nice coincidence if we can manipulate this paranoia to hasten the demise of CSM's.

I am getting lost in this thread trying to figure out exactly what machines we are talking about. Continuous Shuffle Machines (CSMs) are the machines used to continuously shuffle the cards after almost every round. AutoShufflers (ASs) are used to shuffle all cards at the end of a shoe.

Though both are bad (CSMs kill penetration, ASs kill shuffle tracking), you can still make some money against the ASs. No such luck against the CSMs.

Please clarify the above.

Also exactly what is going to change making this BIG IMPACT?

MoreConfusedTourist.

This information was givin by an executive industry insider. This new CSM will be the final blow to card counter. The BJ general public will be hearing about this device in the months ahead. I heard the comment that the players don't like the original CSM so they are losing favor with the casinos. Ask yourselves a question, since when do the casinos care if a Blackjack player likes the conditions, rules, or tactics it uses on a game? They know full well if someone dosen't like it's game, there are plenty of other no-minds it can get to fill the seats.

..."We don't always get what we want". Now I am leaning toward thinking that you are either a moron or a troll. I took your advice and asked myself your question, "since when do the casinos care if a Blackjack player likes the conditions, rules, or tactics it uses on a game?"

My answer is that they care ever since the first casino was built. I would agree that casino executives do not care whether advantage players like the rules and tactics, but they definately do care whether blackjack players in general (i.e. ploppies) like them. If they didn't care what Blackjack players thought, then they would offer rules like only double hard 2-6, only take insurance against dealer 2-9 up, BJ pays 2:3, dealer wins all ties, you have to beat the dealer by 3 or else it is a push, (insert other ridiculous examples here).

Casino's do not need to improve CSM's to beat counters. The current CSM's are already uncountable except for reports of a rare few who have been able to beat them. The serious threat would be if the casino's found a way to get ploppies to like playing CSM's. Fortunately, there is too much belief in the "flow" of the cards for that to occur. If you don't believe this, then just sit down at a full table of average Blackjack players, split your first pair of tens and see whether anyone makes a comment about you hurting their chances. I am willing to lay odds that you would get some comments, but I could always be wrong.

your interest lies...in wrong places.

You're dealing with some kind of troll, that dont give a rats ass about card counting. Why waste time asking it questions?

BJ21's password policy cleared out most of the trolls, but a few of the die hard still exist. Their main goal is to cause confusion, lower your self esteem and give you a sense of hopelessness. They often post misleading information and attempt to upset us cardcounters.

Igore this troll.

TG