Introduction and question about Triangle Blackjack

Hello all players.

Let me introduce myself. I am a semi-pro gambler and almost ready to retire as a Fire Chief and a civil service employee with 25+ years served.

I have never posted here before but wanted to comment on the Triangle Blackjack system because the subject was brought up below. Maybe I should have posted there. I'm not sure of the rules for posting.

I got the system from the pro about 6 months ago after meeting him at a casino in Louisiana. I also was fortunate enough to be an observer recently when he beat two casinos with his challenge. He then went on to teach 5 casino employees the system and they all sat at the same table and beat the hell out of the house! What I didn't like was the fact he sold all rights to Triangle Blackjack to the casino industry after winning the challenges instead of publishing the book. But I guess that was his choice. I call it selling out to the casino industry.

Anyway the system is the most awesome blackjack method I have ever seen and I've used almost all counting systems on the market. For 6 months I have never lost and that's playing about 4 days each week. About 6-8 hours each day. Triangle Blackjack is without doubt the very best deck composition system ever developed.

The pro said he was once told by an advantage player from this site that he has a lot of respect that it is impossible to win more with less information. His explanation to me was blackjack can be an exact science but needs to be played in an non-exact, but consistent professional manner in order to succeed at the highest level and without going through all the huge swings of blackjack fate. I believe that statement to be true.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone else that may have the details of Triangle Blackjack and how they have succeeded or have not succeeded.

I got the system from the pro about 6 months ago after meeting him at a casino in Louisiana. I also was fortunate enough to be an observer recently when he beat two casinos with his challenge. He then went on to teach 5 casino employees the system and they all sat at the same table and beat the hell out of the house!

Who writes like that? This is marketing hype. No one but precocious teenagers and publicists use exclamation marks.

> What I didn't like was the fact he sold all rights to Triangle
> Blackjack to the casino industry after winning the challenges
> instead of publishing the book.

Well, since you use the system you can help us. Tell us how it works and we will have a 2 billion hand challenge. We will compare the results of Triangle Blackjack to traditional card counting and see how amazing the results are.

> Anyway the system is the most awesome blackjack method I have ever
> seen and I've used almost all counting systems on the market.

That is a completely unreasonable claim.

Really? You have used the Thorp Ultimate system? Uston�s Advanced Point Count with the side count? You have used �almost all� counting systems and couldn�t get any of them to work? Maybe the problem is not with the card counting systems.

> Triangle Blackjack is without doubt the very best deck composition
> system ever developed.

Except for the systems that ACTUALLY TRACK the composition of the deck. Triangle Blackjack does not track the composition of the deck at all, it only tracks the composition of the past hand. Read my other post for a complete explanation of why that system is completely unreliable.

Also, you shouldn't use phrases like "without a doubt" until we get the results of our 2 billion hand challenge. Use of vague terms like "without a doubt" and "almost all" are the backbone of the voodoo-system undustry and are a sure sign of someone without a solid argument.

> His explanation to me was blackjack can be an exact science but
> needs to be played in an non-exact, but consistent professional
> manner�

Sorry, what? We need to be consistently inaccurate? Is that really the best way to achieve success? That�s not a very convincing, or even coherent, explanation.

> I would be interested in hearing from anyone else that may have the
> details of Triangle Blackjack and how they have succeeded or have
> not succeeded.

I have succeeded by not using it.

-Sonny-

I have read all the posts/responses and web page, and I have many questions.

Is it a fact that Harrah's has purchased the rights to this book?
If true, what is Harrah's motivation?
If true, can Harrah's expect to keep this system unknown to others?

Is there another approach to winning BJ other than bottom line mathematics?

Will there be an opportunity to "sim" this new system to evenly compare it to counting?

If this new system is unavailable, what's the point?

Is it a fact that Harrah's has purchased the rights to this book?
Yes Harrah's and Boyd Gaming

If true, what is Harrah's motivation?
My guess would be because of the 6% player advantage.

If true, can Harrah's expect to keep this system unknown to others?
I would assume so. If not why buy the rights.

Is there another approach to winning BJ other than bottom line mathematics?
Triangle Blackjack Is mathematically sound.

Will there be an opportunity to "sim" this new system to evenly compare it to counting?
I don't have an answer to that. It was simulated against all other count systems by others before the pro sold out.

If this new system is unavailable, what's the point?
From my understanding it's because a lot of players were waiting for the book and the pro wanted to let them know it was not going to be made public.

You really need to be asking the pro all these questions. My answers may not be totally correct or worded wrong.

We've seen this system before under many different names. It is nothing new. Just someone recycling an old bogus system.

-Sonny-

> I have read all the posts/responses and web page,
> and I have many questions.

We all do. The webpage is meant to entice people with a get-rich-quick system without actually giving you any real information about it. That is how these system sellers operate. They get you hooked and convince you to buy their product before you even know what it is.

> Is it a fact that Harrah's has purchased the rights to this book?

That is preposterous. That statement is concocted by the author in order to make naive people think that is system is useful. Has any casino ever bought the rights to card counting, shuffle tracking, front loading, ace sequencing, end play, team play, spooking, warp playing, or any other legitimate technique? No. They could buy the rights to all the books (Uston, Wong, Schlesinger, Snyder, etc.) but people would still use their systems against the casinos. This author thrives on the sort of people who believe such bull.

> If true, what is Harrah's motivation?

To sell in their souvenir shop of course! It will turn all of the flat-betting ploppies into bet-raising system players. They will still be losing but they will be making bigger bets using this system. It is every casino's dream. I'll bet they would put it in the front window right next to John Patrick's books.

> If true, can Harrah's expect to keep this system unknown to others?

Nope, for all the reasons I just described.

> Is there another approach to winning BJ other than
> bottom line mathematics?

Yes, but you will need the mathematics to validate the system. Seeing the burn card is not "bottom line" mathematics but it could give you an advantage. You will need the mathematics to show you how to use that information to gain an advantage, how much of an advantage it will give you, and how much to bet under those circumstances. You could simply raise your bet every time they burn a small card, but that alone will not give you a practical advantage. You need the math to show you how to make the strategy work for you.

> Will there be an opportunity to "sim" this new system to
> evenly compare it to counting?

Sure. My two billion hand challenge still stands. I doubt that anyone who knows the system will ever accept the challenge, and I doubt even more that they will make public any sims that have already been run. JackAce says that the sims have been run but somehow the author is not willing to share the results with the public. We must take him at his word that his system has been proven to be successful.

I remember John Patrick making the same claims: "My system is completely valid and has been mathematically proven, but I refuse to show you any of the data. Put your faith in me, send me your money and nothing will go wrong. Trust me!" Does anyone recognize this scam from TV?

> If this new system is unavailable, what's the point?

I have a feeling that the author might be "enticed" to sell you the system privately for an additional fee. One of those "I'm really not supposed to do this, but I'll do you a favor this time" sort of deals. Or maybe he's just trying to generate some hype before he "changes his mind" and decides to publish his book. I've lived in Los Angeles long enough to smell the scams from miles away.

-Sonny-

That's definitely a clear sign that something is wrong with the system!

have you heard someone claim "I win 90% of my sessions?"

I can only think of one way to maybe approach that... you play, and the instant you are ahead, you quit, even if it is just 1/2 unit due to a snapper. Doesn't say a thing about your overall win rate, but if I think back over recent sessions this past year, in almost every one, I was up at "some" point. But did not finish ahead that many times. In fact, I suffered through one of "those streaks" a few months back, and got torched session after session, until the streak finally turned around and I fought back...

If you want to win the most sessions, just play and quit immediately when ahead. If you want to win the most money, play as many rounds as possible. The "system sellers" really like to harp on that "sessions won" statistic. As irrelevant as it is... but it sounds important to the beginners. Once you play this game enough, those 90% and up claims get recognized as horsecrap pretty quickly...

It is a round empty space in a Universe that is otherwise made of solid rock.

"No losing session within six months??? "

Obviously this is an 'unbalanced system' where you initially begin your W/L record with more wins at the start of your playing career. The system obviously explains how to calculate how many 'winning sessions' to frontload into that unbalanced count. Most likely based on how many total sessions required to go broke and end ones playing career.

C-I