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was wondering if don or anyone could tell me proper index numbers for doubling a natual.found a local low stakes game las vegas strip rules however bj pay even money unless suited which pays 3 to 2 . thanks in advance
was wondering if don or anyone could tell me proper index numbers for doubling a natual.found a local low stakes game las vegas strip rules however bj pay even money unless suited which pays 3 to 2 . thanks in advance
"Was wondering if Don or anyone could tell me proper index numbers for doubling a natural. Found a local low stakes game Las Vegas Strip rules, however bj pays even money unless suited which pays 3 to 2."
I don't think it would ever be right to double. Your e.v. for the natural is +1.000, after the dealer ascertains that he doesn't have a natural of his own. The player's doubled e.v. for A,T vs. dealer's 6 (worst upcard) in a six-deck game is 0.67. I don't think there's any positive count worth talking about that will raise that e.v. to over 100%.
Don
Why are people so willing to donate so much money to casinos? Also, wouldn't it be easier to just play craps or roulette if you want to give away money? Why learn counting?
boogie21,
According to my humble calculations, doubling down is a better buy than standing versus 5 and 6, if true count (hi-lo) is 8 or greater. This is true for 6D, S17 game. For different rules (number of decks) the count could be slightly different.
Blackjack Rookie
Maybe true only if player�s natural pushes dealer�s ordinary 21, or player�s Ace-Ten (not natural) is result of splitting a pair.
"Maybe true only if player�s natural pushes dealer�s ordinary 21,"
Right. Why should that be? Naturals get paid immediately, so long as the dealer doesn't also have one. The certain payoff makes your index incorrect.
That was my whole point. We know the numbers for doubling on A,T vs. dealer's 6, after splitting aces. This isn't that situation.
Don
gentlemen,
thank you for your response. i have been using a 25 to 1 spread. additional info: 6 deck , 80 to 90 percent penetration. do i have an edge?
What count do you use ?
How many indices ?
Why would it matter what count system he uses when 75% of his BJs pays 1:1 and 25% pay 3:2? This is basically not to dissimilar from a 6:5 shoe game.
It matters a great deal in all BJ situations.
Which is why I use only Hi-Opt II
flash I use hi low count ilustrious 18 plus an additional 10. intresting comment from molded truth regarding 6 to 5 single deck. my idea that the game might be beatable came from snyders comment in blackbelt. he states that his table hopping strategy would easily beat the 6 to5 games i reasoned that a large spread might make up for the half percent given up for even money blackjacks
You are thinking that even money pay for naturals increases the house advantage by 0.5% only?
When all unsuited BJs pay even money, the house edge is increased by 3.399% compared to standard payout of 3:2 for 6-deck game. In this assertion I assume player�s suited natural pushes any BJ of the dealer.
So, you are standing against a colossal disadvantage. When you find a game, where naturals pay less than 3 to 2, walk away no matter how good other rules are.
I wish to thank everyone for their help. I shall not play this bad game again. back to saving for a real bank to play real games again.
The Soft Double table on page 139 of Julian Braun's How to Play Winning Blackjack has Hi-Lo indices of 14 v. 2, 14 v. 3, 10 v. 4, 8 v. 5, and 8 v. 6 for doubling with A, 10, along with a footnote stating that these indices are not for doubling with a blackjack, but rather for the situation when one gets an ace after splitting tens.
Only unsuited BJs pay even money.
