how often has the dealer predicted your outcome and been right?

Hi Friends,
How often have you walked up to a table to play blackjack and you were making smalltalk with the dealer and asked her how the players/table/dealer was doing and she said: "everyone's winning, you should play here" or she said: "I'm murdering everyone, you should not play here" or something to that effect, and been correct, that is you started playing and had the same result that she told you was happening when you walked up.

There is a dealer in Biloxi that I really like playing with, I like playing blackjack at her table also (LOL), and every time I walk up to her table she either says "I'm murdering everyone, stay away" or she says "everyone's winning, you should play", and if I sit down to play even though she warned me away I get murdered and if I play when she says everyone is winning, I usually win. I have stood and watched her table for a couple of shoes after she told me she was murdering everyone and sure enough she was murdering everyone.

Now, I don't know what to make of this, so here is the question. Have you seen dealers predict the outcome of your play before you sat down often enough, and they were right, that there is some credence to following a dealer's advice to stay away or play? Another question, if this phenomenom really does exist, how does the dealer know? Personally, I have seen this enough to think that there is something to it, although I know the math boys are going to have a coniption (spelling?) fit, I can hear them now: "there is NO such thing as a 'hot' dealer", well you haven't SEEN this lady dealer, I am telling you she is HOT (just kidding). Anyway, what do you think about this?

I know, I know, the statistics say it doesn't matter what happened before you sat down, but I think that there is more to blackjack, or anything involving human beings, than cold statstics. I think the human factor, the psychology factor, the energy of the people around the table has to be considered. I know for myself I cannot play at a table that has bad/negative energy, I may as well just hand my chips over and save the time playing because I will definitely lose. For me, the psychological aspect is very important.

Steve

Unless the dealer is a skilled cheat, her comments are nonsense.

as you will generally be playing at full tables. The table that is empty because the dealer has been killing everyone is the better choice.

I may as well just hand my chips over and save the time playing because I will definitely lose.

If you believe the things you wrote in your post then your above statement might be accurate.

... as I have sat down at tables where the dealer told me he or she had been killing everyone and I won big.

Because I prefer empty tables I often hear this. I keep close records and don't notice that it has effected my EV at all. The cards are what they are. The human factor, sans cheating, cannot in any way determine the order in which they are going to fall, nor can any "negative energy" generated by you, the players, the dealer, or anyone else have any possible effect on the cards. While the attitudes and actions of others might have an effect on our feelings, it would be ludicrous to assume that such things can physically manipulate the cards in such a way as to cause a player to win or lose, and that is what one would have to believe if he believed the "negative energy" of those around him affected the outcome of the game.

As DD' said above, playing at full tables can and does affect your ability to win at acceptable rates. It has nothing to do with the players or your feelings at the moment and everything to do with hands per hour and the effect of the number of players on penetration if you are playing in single deck games.

that i can "work" the cards, such as in a pitch game, i will give it a shot

i have experienced what you wrote about many times and will consider what the dealer has to say

the dealers see a hell of a lot more hands played than we players ever will

pay attention to their warnings

Is it possible for the dealer to cheat out of a six deck shoe? Is dealing seconds possible out of a shoe?

Second question, I was playing in a small casino in biloxi and there were two dealers who absolutely murdered me, both were older and had that "I've led a tough life" demeanor. Anyway, they both had trouble getting the cards out of the shoe, kind of like the card hitting something or getting stuck on something as it came out of the shoe. I wondered if maybe the shoe were defective somehow, then I thought maybe they were dealing seconds and that was what the problem was. I have never seen this happen before or since except in that casino.

Thanks,
Steve

but I think that my ability to do what I am supposed to do when I am supposed to do it wihtout thinking about it is very much affected. That is what I meant by negative energy.

Perhaps some would say the issue here is mental toughness or discipline.

I wasn't implying that the energy somehow changed the ordering of the cards.

Steve

I have had this happen a lot. I usually say "the players have been losing, because I haven't bee here to bring them luck."

If you are coming up to a fresh Shoe, then this is actually an ideal situation. You now have a pre-bade excuse to leave if the Shoe turns negative.

Sometimes this will happen with a Shoe in progress. Presumably you have been back-counting it, otherwise you wouldn't be entering.

Sometimes the count really sky-rockets, going to plus 20 in the first 2 decks. This means that a lot of low cards have come out. Players have caught 4s or 5s on their double downs., and the dealer has made "miracle" 5 card hands. Everyone leave the table in disgust.

I live for Shoes like this.

but I doubt very much you were cheated. Sounds like you just had a little bad luck.

"you are too dumb to come in out of the rain." The dealer warned me she was hot when I first sat down, proceeded to cream me for the next 15 minutes, then finally made the comment. I agreed with her, and shortly after, it turned around and I won back more than I had lost against her.

I have always played lots of head up and that has meant playing against "hot" dealers. Being "hot" is a historical event and is just one description of normal, unpredictable, random fluctuation. The hot dealer can turn cold in an instant, or get even hotter. You just don't know. Because of playing more hands per hour, penetration effect, etc. I have made more money on average from "hot" dealers.

Love those hot dealers!

A simple explanation for a hot dealer might be that the players don't know basic strategy and thus assur their own losses.

Counters don't help the situation when they deviate from BS because other players see these plays and start inclucding them in their play, not realizing these are special situations and the counter will revert back to BS the next time he has the same hand. Many new players are splitting 10's and never ever heard of BS.

BS,IMHO, is considered the norm, and many casinos even sell BS cards. When a player is obviously a good player and suddenly deviates from his normal play, it's a dead give away. BS is good cover as long as you leave immediately after a deviation play. When everyone uses BS, nobody sticks out, and everyone makes the expected play. There is a bit of leeway in whether one hits 16's against a 7 through to an Ace because half the players do and half don't.

Merry Christmas to all,
Be of good cheer,
The old year is waning,
The new year is near.
GOD is our shepherd, not Lauden and Lott,
They'll get their comeuppence,
Believe it or not.
So will we.

My best wins were against so-called "hot" dealers, usually on "one on one". Sometimes you lose every hand on highly positive counts. After two or three such large losses, I play two hands, to change the sequence of the cards, reverting to one hand the next play, and I usually make a killing on a good positive shoe. the key is to never raise your bet until you win a hand, and continue raising as the counts is >+2. Playing alone alllows to gradually increase your bets usually to very large spreads .I made $2,000 each in two shoes with the same "hot" dealer at a $25 table. My top bet was $300, but I did not want to go higher in order not to attract attention.I was concerned she would get heat from the casino, but she told me she is usually very hot, and few players win against her, so much for hot dealers. Stick to your strategy. The mistake to avoid is to raise your bets automatically with the count. Wait till you win first, as Don Schlesinger advises. That mistake cost me $1,200 on another shoe. It does not matter if the count goes through the roof, wait till you win a hand first, or play two hands, at least once, then "gradually" increase every time you win a hand. Even at only TC of +2 you can bet 5-10 times your min bet if you keep winning. Reduce it to the optimum amount if you lose.