HIND-PLAY Question??

Oops....I meant "Mind-play". Just curious...have any readers been barred/backed-off due to this? Or are us CC's supposed to be too smart to play this game in the first place?

Thanks,

phantom007.

The Las Vegas Hilton is the only casino in Vegas that uses Mindplay. They also have one of the best games in town, even though it is H17, they offer LS and cutoff a deck. Not every dealer, but 70% or more from what i have seen. Mindplay won't get you tossed any quicker than a computer evaluation will from upstairs. It was just a big waste of time and money for Hilton and will be also for any other casino that uses it.

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My G/F and I have spent 6 months on and off over the last 18 months playing Vegas, Reno, Lake Tahoe, Laughlin, Mesquite, Elko, Wendover, Tunica, Vicksburg, Biloxi, Gulfport, New Orleans, Shreveport and some others I've forgotten!
During all that time and all those places, despite both using good acts, working same hours, same bet-spread with similar camo, of course I, a WASP, was booted on about 15 separate occasions. Being female and of a different background, my G/F was only tossed once! This happened via Mindplay in Eldorado and it was with obvious shock and embarrassment that a Suit approached her to say "no more BJ"...
Mindplay does not suffer from preconceptions involving a typical card-counter profile like most small-minded casino staff. For this reason, the reason it is illegal according to Nevada Casino law and the fact it could be used to cheat all patrons, we must fight to prevent its spread.
Not relevant, but we played mid green to small black, 1793 hours combined (actual playing hours) and made $75,925 at $42.35 per hour.

Nice angle. For the reasons you describe, MinPlay can be seen
as causing financial hardship to groups that are not male-WASPs.
I can see the lawsuits now.

Just curious, did G/F make more than you, possibly by being
barred less?

I made a little more through better luck, which I suppose may have lead to more back offs! (After all, CC's only have to put their money on the table and they automatically win, don't they?)
I like the idea of making comments at Mindplay tables like:
"That machine knows the order of the cards, right?"
"Are we shuffling now because the machine knows we are about to win the next hand?"
"Did we play that extra hand so the machine could get Blackjack?"
etc...

I have been barred many times and on a couple occasions very quickly. Personal best was being barred while attempting to place my 4th bet ever at a notorious Vegas sweatshop (max bet was a whopping $60).

That being said, I did mistakenly play the Mindplay tables when El Dorado first put them in and was surprised when heavy heat came down very quickly thereafter (about 15 minutes using a 1-4 spread in green at SD). Pit was notified by phone and called over security while staring at me. Fortunately, I was able to make a quick exit before the security guy got to the PC.

I think that the key difference between Mindplay and surveillance is that Mindplay automatically starts evaluating your play as soon as you sit down, while surveillance usually needs a heads-up to start tracking you. A casino may be comfortable barring after 15 minutes of evaluation, but you can usually delay or possibly avoid the evaluation with a decent act and appearance.