Hassled at the cage at the Paris in Vegas

After a recent blackjack session in the high limit room at the Paris I go to the cage to cash out only around $1,700. They take the chips then ask me for id, I tell them no. They say it's to prove I'm 21, they will write me out a receipt and cash me out when I show id. I tell them I play anonymous and don't give out that info. They still refuse to cash me out or give me the chips back. I argue for awhile and they still refuse. Can they do this? They are telling me they will steal my chips if I don't show id. I finally gave them my id so I could cash out and get out of there. I've never had any problems playing there in the past and felt it wasn't worth the hassle of getting gaming involved, making a huge fuss and possibly getting 86ed. They take my id and scan it in some device and look at some computer screen for awhile. Why do they do this? Are they looking at all my history at all harrahs properties? They finally cash me out and I leave planning to not play there anymore. I've never had anything like this happen before. I've heard if it's under $10,000 they have to cash you out.
What's the standard cage rule if a player looks under 21 and won't show id?
They say it's to prove I'm 21, but I'm much older than that and look much older, they were just using that as an exuse to hassle me, and get my info since I was betting big and won a little money.

Were you playing as a refusal in the high limit? The last CET property I played at required ID on their $25/50/100 minimum tables if you didn't have a player's card. I'm assuming this is to check if the player has been backed off or if there are any notes about the player.

Perhaps they were hassling you for an ID just in case you were previously backed off at any CET property and played when you shouldn't have been, and in that case they might be able to confiscate the chips since you weren't allowed to play to begin with. Just a guess.

I was last at Paris a year or so ago. There are better playing conditions out there. I, too, was asked for ID when cashing out and it took a bit of time even though I was playing rated. Perhaps it's their policy to verify for 500 and 1k chips.

They have all of the leverage over you at the cage. Yes, they can demand ID and refuse to cash you out if you don't comply, even for only $1,700, but you can threaten to call gaming right then and there if they don't pay you. If you threaten to do it, though, you should make good on your threat. The leverage shifts somewhat back to you because the casino doesn't want gaming to have to continually make appearances at the casino to force them to cash you out. In all likelihood gaming will want to see your ID anyway and they may or may not tell the casino your name but the casino has egg on their face for making an agent waste his time with that sort of bullsh*t.

If you look young gaming will tell you that the casino has the right to verify your age. (although technically they are supposed to do it at the tables) and if you're under 21 they get in some serious problems for letting you gamble. If you're older looking gaming may decide the casino is being ridiculous for asking you for ID for such a small amount of chips. I'd say something like "nobody checked my ID before I started playing so obviously nobody thinks I'm under 21, but if you insist I'll be happy to call gaming and see what they have to say about it, do you want to pay me now or do you want gaming to make you pay me when they get here?" At that point usually a supervisor will just pay you (maybe 70% of the time). The other 30% you'll have to follow through on your threat and call gaming.

Either way, it's usually a good idea to make it a policy to just leave after you play anonymously and always cash out the next day or on a different shift (at least 8hrs after your previous session). They won't be looking for you anymore at that point. You just don't want the casino taking your photo at the cage and separating the play from the cashing out is always a good idea to protect yourself and your anonymity.

I think that's what happened the pit or eye called the cage to get my info since I was unrated. The cage said they had to handle my id in order for me to cash out but if it's just to verify age why do they need to handle and scan it? could I have just showed it to them or a security guy standing nearby, or do they have to take it from me? It's a real id I just don't like them scanning it in some device. I had this problem when my id used to be in a clear window in my wallet they would always make me take it out and hand it to them.

hold it up for them to see. Do not let it go. It is your property and your cop buddy told you never let anyone handle your id, because if something happens to it, you can no longer identify yourself! Plus, even the government is being hacked these days and you don't let any business put you in their computer.

What could possibly happen? Lets say they drop it and it slips behind a cabinet that is permanently built in to the wall or floor; can she guarantee that you'll get it back? What if they think it's fake and it really isn't; but they confiscate it anyway? etc... Screw them!

Ploppies that don't do this are idiots. That's why they're ploppies! And, that's why smart people get hassled.

The cage said they had to handle my id in order for me to cash out but if it's just to verify age why do they need to handle and scan it?

They lied to you, Jim. If your age was the issue, they should have checked you at the the tables or upon casino entry. The fact that they subsequently scanned your ID into their system confirms the lie. How many other age-limited businesses scan patron's IDs into a data retrieval system upon their EXIT from the business? They want that ID for their player records system, in which they will subsequently post all kinds of notes and observations about your gaming habits and skill level. Get used to being lied to by casino employees. It is commonplace.

That happened to me some time ago. They scanned my i.d. card then I was booted. They caught me off guard but I won't repeat that slip.

I was only cashing out a $1000 at that craphole in gary, indiana that has too good of rules to be true. I was leaving next day and no plans to return to Gary Indiana. I am by myself and don't have any friends in gary. Probably a decent chance I will be in chicago over next year or two, but I would not want to take that miserable hour drive just to cash a $1000 in chips. And I don't want to take a chance that the dump goes bankrupt and I am left with worthless chips.

I know I made it easy on them with drivers license and photo opp.

Leaving with the chips, works pretty well in Vegas and especially Reno. But not everywhere for me.