first time counting/big mistake

when the dealer went to scoop up the cards i told i wasnt done counting them yet the whole table stopped ,i felt like a dumb shit after i caught my self i said just kidding but she wasnt smileing no more i played a couple o f more hands and slidd o f the chair and left ,,,now what do i do ,its my local indian casino!!!!! ps: i blew it

Look for that same dealer again and play with her. Give some generous tips. She didn't smile at you probably because you gave her nothing to smile about. Dealers don't give a shit about counters, if they are not being friendly to you then you have probably been stiffing them. Or, if you do tip a little maybe the rest of her table all day hasn't been and she's frustrated and doesnt' want to be there. Blackjack, for a dealer, is fun when you first start but after a year or so, you get in a rut. Its one hand after another and you hear the same griping from the same players every hand. Look at yourself next time when you play and see if you can notice if you are one of those people. Most importantly though, tip! After a Blackjack especially! It won't hurt your profit much, and being a dealer myself, I would keep my mouth shut about you to the pit manager because you are helping out "The crew", and I would not jeopardize MY paycheck.

Even if the "eye" got word from the pit about how you lost count because the dealer was too fast they likely laughed and only have made a note about it took your picture to pass on to the other staff, then spent a few minutes to determine that you are a weak counter and a low level of threat to the casino.

Another thing about learning, don't worry about camo, your likely a red chip player like myself and can get away with big bet spreads. Now because your learning your going to make mistakes and that�s camo in it self.

Tipping her NOW won't change the past. She either reported him to the pit boss that day or had no plans to do so.

If the dealer didn't care about the comment she would have laughed at his slip up, not acted all serious.

I would avoid her table for awhile, and the casino itself for a couple weeks.

I looked at a cocktail waitress once and said "Plus three."

Great one! As if it's the dealers watching the tables for counters. So, if we all toke, we'll never get barred?

That being said, I do toke. Nobody will get wealthy from me, but I do give out something as a common courtesy if the dealer has a nice personality (or at least isn't rude to me) and if I'm winning. Perhaps the dealer will take my side in a dispute over a pay (but perhaps not). I also toke a bit for good conditions if I feel the toke has any effect on the conditions (no need to list what I look for on a public board -- we all know what we need for a good game).

I hope you're not expecting APs to tip like drunken ploppies. Our margin isn't all that great. We grind it out over a lot of play, and excessive tokes reverse that grind. However, if you help us out (and you make it clear that you are), many of us will reward you for it. If you give up too early and start screaming "cheques play" at the top of your lungs every time anyone slips one extra chip on the pile, don't expect much.

LOL!

You can also try the Peter Griffin technique of counting aloud to annoy the pit critters.

But on the tipping, I`d really recommend you not do it. Get in the habbit, best to start now.

Don`t mean to be mean (but thats all I can be?), but a red chipper can`t afford it. Actually, a cardcounter can`t afford it.

My experiences suggest that even at the red level, your bankroll can literally fluctuate thousands of dollars a night, when you get a positive swing ... just try tipping $1. As a dealer once told me:

"Thats an insult"

(Yes, they do tend to believe they are responsible for your good run of cards.)

And remember this general rule of thumb: every $1 tip costs you $100 of wagers.

Please do not listen to dealers.

Best,
Syph

Obviously, 95 percent of dealers don't. If you know anything about shuffle tracking, then you can follow along. If I'm getting stiffed I will find the section of big cards as I'm dealing and purposefully keep track of that section. I pay attention to who likes to cut thin/thick and give the cut card to the person accordingly so the big cards go to the back and then I cut enough decks off to bury them. So, with me, you will NEVER have a positive shoe. That will cost you a little more than the 2.50 tip.

Hey... I typed a response but it didn't post. *sigh* Anyway it generally said that a little tippage goes a long way. Also commented about cheques play. Most dealer don't know the proper times they are supposed to call it out. Anyway, read my post "I know how to "change" the cards". You are not expected to tip your life away but a little curtosy is important.

Who do you think I want to see get the money?

Answer: Whoever is paying me more.

Casino = $6 hour or players $0 per hour. Just think about that for a second. On the other hand Casino =$6 per hour or entire table combined $20 per hour (thats really not a whole lot considering 7 people at the table).

I agree that dealers often do not care if you count as long as you give them a little toke now and then but that is not even close to a universal rule to go by, and especially in an Indian casino. There are many dual rated dealers in these places, she is dealing today and will be working the pit tomorrow. In any place there are dealers who are looking to move up the corporate food chain and if they think they will gain a brownie point by exposing you, what do you think they will do?
Better perhaps to take a break, come back in a month or so, and if you land up on a table with the same dealer, odds are you will not be remembered. Also, work on your speed, at some point it beame automatic for me, I realized I could basically scan a table when distracted and still get the count right. Did not trust this at first but after enough times realized that what I quickly scanned was right.

Here I am just learning about blackjack and I hear of dealers who tell on here exactly how they stiff the whole table because some people don't tip properly.

And you wonder why most people hate casinos. Like the casinos don't make enough money without slime dealers like yourself.

Just makes me sick and hate the casinos even more.

Now back to the topic: If I play small $5 hands, I sure won't be tipping a buck or 2 every blackjack as some people do. If I did that I might as well play the 6-5 blakjack tables.

I won't tip just because I am winning if the dealer is a jerk and I will tip if the dealer is being nice to me.

This applies to Richard also, but one dealer was being a real jerk thinking he was king shit and someone reminded him a trained ape could do a better job than he was doing. He was pretty quiet after that.

. . . most dealers like to think that they can count but most can't even play Basic Strategy.

Looking for a clump of cards, locating them during play AND giving the cut card to a player who always cuts in a particular place seems like a lot of hassle and unlikely over a $1 tip.

Most dealers, who have to deal different games, have enough trouble just remembering the rules of the game let alone employ 'card counting' tactics.

Maybe if you concentrated on being more friendly towards the players, rather than thinking of ways of cheating them, would actually improve your tips in the long run.

'Switch'

Im just saying, I am at WORK for 1 reason only. The same reason anybody gets a job. The same reason everyone gambles. MONEY! I'm there to get the best paycheck I can get. I'm friendly to every player that walks up to my table but as soon as I realize they are a flea, then they are taking up a valuable seat for someone who will tip. Hey, I don't want the casino making a single dime, but they at least give me 6 bucks an hour. If I can't make at least that from 7 people then guess what the casino is who I root for. I run a business on the side, and anyone running a business will tell you that you sell to the highest bidder. After 5 years, trust me, I'm not there for my health.

5 years of work and making $6 an hour? Way to aim for the stars man!

Most importantly though, tip! After a Blackjack especially! It won't hurt your profit much, and being a dealer myself, I would keep my mouth shut about you to the pit manager because you are helping out "The crew", and I would not jeopardize MY paycheck.

First of all, Richard, how about YOU tipping ME every time YOU get a natural? Or draw to a five-card 21?

If you want my tip, then, for instance, you need to consider dealing the extra round when I do decide to put a tip beside the circle, instead of shuffling, not to mention other things.

As far as not hurting my profit much, all I can say is, I didn't come to your store to share my profits with you in the first place (no offense intended), but if you want to put forth a little bit of effort, you might make a couple of bucks. And if I do win a decent amount of money, I'll take care of you when I leave the table. Don't stand there while I'm playing my hand and make offhanded remarks about players who don't tip, all that will do is make me certain not to leave you one single penny. Trust me, I've seen dealers do the same thing that you say the customers do, and I didn't like being belittled by a smartass dealer who thinks that the player "owes" him/her a tip.

JFWIW.

Regards,
drumz1

and it depends on the mood of the table and the stakes - most likely they thought you weren't done tallying your hand. What you said was subjective. It also depends on the place, but in general, especially being a new face, you are being way too paranoid.

Just like waitresses and any other tip job. You make a flat rate, which is usually the minimum wage and your pay comes from tips.