Is it considered rude to begin play in the middle of a shoe?
If it is not, what does one say when asked to wait until the shoe is over to begin play?
You may be new here, but on these pages, we try not to put the same post up on different pages. Just a little piece of in-house etiquette. Feel free to ask any questions you want, and there are plenty of folks here who will give you answers, but you only need to ask once.
might vary from place to place.
Just ask, "Do you mind if I play, or do you want me to wait?" Players will be quick to say, 'Sure, c'mon in,' or 'Yeah, wait a couple more hands.' Not a problem & not rude to enter, just a matter of being considerate of various biases, & superstitions, (not to mention the count!)
Why would you want to enter the game mid shoe unless you were wonging, and then I don't think you would ask just in case they did say no. Just my opinion.
Always ask, even if wonging. Worst case is you wait a few hands until the deal hits 21. But hopping in will 1. piss off people, and 2. draw attention to yourself.
If you are low stakes, and wonging in on a table with high rollers, be extra careful! If they complain about you "hopping in and changing the order of the cards", you could get axed regardless of counting, and you'll certainly make yourself noticed.
I kind of check out the players and see how their doing and if they're clicky toghether.25 and up I'm more careful and polite.The worst is when they're high fiving each other and they keep winning with the count up.Everyone will eveentually hate you anyway,spreading to 2 hands also is a popular move for them.At lower tables I ussually come in with alot of higher denominated chips than the other players,so they see who's king.More betting means more power.Usually I don't say anything,ignore the comments,sighs,and other ssssh sounds,don't look at them and just time it so I can slip in a chip just before the dealer deals.They don't have much reaction time and by then it's to late.You'll figure out pretty quick who cares and read their body language.A couple I pass on.JMHO.Willi.
Willi,
you wrote
"At lower tables I ussually come in with alot of higher denominated chips than the other players,so they see who's king". I am sure that everyone here at this post really appreciates knowing that you thought you were the king at the table they were playing at.
May I bet now your majesty?
In my response to your post I was just pointing out that your just another player at the table. Your referral to yourself as king of the table by virtue of your large chip denominations sounded pompous, egocentric, and self agrandizing.
then they won't ask me to not change the cards,for they're only betting 10 and I come in with a purple,a couple blacks and green.Try wonging in a 25 min table and players betting green to blak with what looks like your last 5 red chips.I really don't see the connection to the other posters and when I play at a table.Willi the wonger.
I must agree with Steephen. I have several colorful words to describe ploppies that come in betting way over the rest of the table. A couple of the more common ones rhyme with "Stick".
that's the point.Who cares what they think of you.Eventually the'yy hate you anyway.If the count drops quick,what do you think they'll say after only playing 2 hands.He was a polite,nice guy.I don't think so.It's fairly normal for big betters to leave a part of the casino where they lost and try a different spot.Don't interpert their thoughts like a counter would.They are morons,if they win they say basically nothing and if they lose it's your fault.To hell with being a nice guy-do what's best for you.My only exceptions are for elderly and handicaped people,and logevity plays.If I see a nice deed I'll recipricate to that person,but it doesn't happen that often in a casino.Willi.
Willi,
Perhaps I just misinterpreted the meaning of your original message. My main beef is with the following sentences . . .
"At lower tables I ussually come in with alot of higher denominated chips than the other players,so they see who's king.More betting means more power."
Maybe you were just trying to sound cool, in which case, I understand completely. However, if that's how you truly feel, I'm not sure that you're helping yourself at all.
I agree with your later statements that it matters little if someone thinks you're a "nice guy". Who cares? However, coming to a low-limit table with huge action doesn't gain you respect from players either. It just gains unneeded attention from the crew...not just for you, but anyone else who might be "working" at the table.
eh923
This is it-my last comment on wonging.Ther's a problem with dealing with other players when wonging.Money is power in the casino.I have found that while wonging at a ten dollar min. table you are better off coming in with some higher denominated chips and tossing 2 greens on 2 spots then coming in with 2 spots of 3 reds,like it's your last 30 bucks.That is my personal experience.It may be wrong but I belive it to be right.You here less shit from the 10$ "pros" at the table about messing up the cards.I'm not saying bring 5 purples and bet black all the time.And they're no other counters there,not that I would care that much anyway.Willi.
