Does shuffle tracking work?

I am thinkuing about learning to shuffle track my local game,but would like to hear from any of you who have tried it.
Is it too hard?
Does it increase win rate by much?
Do you need to know memory techniques for it?

And what books will show me how to do it?

Thanks.

The regular, serious players do not need this warning. But remember that whatever you say in a response will be read by the casinos. I suggest an email to bj21, asking for any books and other printed sources containing information on tracking. It is very bad business to speak much about it on any public forum. And let us remember that Greenchip is also well represented by the casino industry.

Good luck,
adhoc

Anyone with any info they think is too sensitive for a public forum can email me at the above address,i would greatly appreciate any help as i dont know any counters who could personally help me,so i dont reallty know where to start.

I also would like this information, if it can be forwarded to me... are there that many industry people on these pages?

Sometimes it seems the site may be hurting more than helping us.

The regular, serious players do not need this warning.

You are entitled to this opinion but it is my opinion that the regular, serious players either are doing something else altogether or would view the dissmenination of shuffle-tracking at best with ambivalence. It is not particulary hard to find ST info on the internet which would be much more useful than replies you are likely to get on this forum. A casino spy too stupid to use a search engine is not a threat to any one.

In general, those casinos that wish to know about ST already do so, those that do not, do not care. If you read Snyder's shuffle-tracking series you will see that he refers to detailed studies the casinos had already carried out long before ST information was available to players. In my opinion that radically understates the case-some of the best ST information I have obtained came from casino sources.

Shuffle-trackers who continue to believe they have some privileged secret information are, in my opinion, living in a dream world.

You are entitled to this opinion but it is my opinion that the regular, serious players either are doing something else altogether or would view the dissmenination of shuffle-tracking at best with ambivalence.

There is nothing to gain by talking about shuffle tracking on this board. Yes, you can get some half-way reasonable information already. But there is no reason to stick people's faces in it. People are lazy. If you give them something repeatedly they are more likely to take it. It they have to go looking for it, less people will get the information.

Advantage players make a living by having information. Why are you so eager to give it out?

Everybody has their own plays. Just because the circle of people you talk with doesn't track means nothing.

Math Boy

There is nothing to gain by talking about shuffle tracking on this board.

I don't agree. I have gained from the discussions on the subject. Ted Forrester's posts on segment borders were productive, for example.

Yes, you can get some half-way reasonable information already. But there is no reason to stick people's faces in it. People are lazy. If you give them something repeatedly they are more likely to take it. It they have to go looking for it, less people will get the information.

I was not talking about this particular thread but discussion of ST in general.

Advantage players make a living by having information. Why are you so eager to give it out?

I didn't. I've never published anything about segment tracking and I haven't written much about it online. Ask Patterson/Malmuth/Snyder/M'hall why they put it in the public domain. However, I am able to recognize it is in the public domain, and that secrecy is inappropriate. The method's been around for decades and much discussed. Card counting itself is scarcely better known.

Everybody has their own plays. Just because the circle of people you talk with doesn't track means nothing.

I do track. I just don't pretend it is anything special.

By the eractic ways casinos are shuffling today,you almost got to be jesus to shuffle track. Shuffling tracking is exactly what it is,shuffle tracking. If you know there's a clump of tens somewhere in in the deck(s) then you attempt to locate the clump(god forbid)while the dealer performs a wicked shuffle.(gamble at your own risk). Easier said than done,that's for damn sure. The reason you dont hear much about shuffle tracking is because hardly anybody uses it or counters(such as I) dont trust the very loose probilities of being correct. I would rather bet on the math of card counting.

The purpose of my caution was to make people think before posting things like how trackable a shuffle at a particular casino may be. This sort of information is not ST instruction, it is casino education. The exercise of a little discretion will reduce the number of times when we tell a casino that it has a beatable game.

I am not on a crusade to change anyone's opinion. If you feel it is not harmful to share what you know about tracking, you will do so. My caution was addressed to those who do not share your views.

Regards,
adhoc

The purpose of my caution was to make people think before posting things like how trackable a shuffle at a particular casino may be. This sort of information is not ST instruction, it is casino education. The exercise of a little discretion will reduce the number of times when we tell a casino that it has a beatable game.

I have no disagreement with that. My apologies if you thought my response was truculent.

Are you serious?Or just trying to scare me?
The reason you dont hear much about shuffle tracking is because hardly anybody uses it or counters(such as I) dont trust the very loose probilities of being correct.

Strange,then why did the guy above ask not for anyone to post on how to shuffletrack in case casinos would be able to read about it?

"Are you serious?Or just trying to scare me?"

I have no reason to scare you,I dont give a damn about your money,do you?

Yes, coherent shuffle tracking is very,very difficult(sometimes impossible) to achieve and can have devastating effects if not done properly...like walking a tight rope. If you think this is funny or scary or stupid advice ,then so be it.

"Strange,then why did the guy above ask not for anyone to post on how to shuffletrack in case casinos would be able to read about it?"

What are you asking me for,ask him?

Sure had me fooled John

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