deck pentetration odds,,

need some feedback please?,when playing addeck game with fifty perectn cut out,{and the player is counting perfectly,3 level},,dos the player have a real advatage even tho they only play two rounds? maybe three?,,i would like to think,even with the major cutting,the player would still have a small adv.
also,,i have never seen this ever in any casino before,but,the grand victoria in indiana is now cutting over fifty percent out of a six deck shoe!,[the dealers ae also openly accusing players of being counters,and,openly critisizing players "low tips",,ect},,
anyway,,does anyone have player advantage specs and only being deal three out of six decks?,,
althoug playing these games is not prefered,i still would like some feedback on player advatages ect,,thankyou,,great site,,k

A bunch of sweaty morons. This casino is losing tons of money and wasting time. They may as well use 12 decks per shoe and deal out only 4,at least they wont lose as much money.

I would not waste my time even asking about this casino. Just dont visit there anymore. It wont be very diffcult to find a better game than that one,just go to the next closest casino.

i agree with you rock,in the process lterally ruining indiana`s integrity in the gameing comunity,,thanks for the reply{very well founded} but im still looking for some math on the pen topics,,any help?,,

I dont see why you need the math to prove this game as well as the casino is a wasteland. The only other helpful advice I can give you is the ploppies will lose less money due to the cut card effect of terrible pen and hands per hour slowing down to a crawl.

Who knows, if some ploppies get accused of counting cards(Look!Look! Card Counters!)and happen to get in some lucky wins, it may not be long before they decide to deal only 2 decks of 6 and shuffle.

All I can say is good luck.

and the spread allowed. If you have an S17 DAS game and can spread widely (at least 1-12) you will have a useful edge. If the rules are H17 you'll get an edge but the longrun index will be very long.

The problem with shallow pen isn't that you can't get an edge, but that the edge you get isn't very solid. The number of hands required to get into the longrun are so many that the results of several hundred hours will have more to do with pure luck than anything else.

on the shuffle :)

very informative answer,,rocky was to busy figuring out why i needed the math,,thanks rocky},,
Heres my take on things,,if,off the top,,if the player is using a 3 level ,ace side count,plus,{what i use with the 3 level,ace side,},what i call a "micro side count",{for each round delt, you use a detailed "high/low ratio" to determine how many of each,6-9 cards are delt,and,how many 5-2 cards are dealt for each round},,
in coralation with a 3 level count,it can be deadly!!,,
anyhoo,,,im figuring,,so you only get x amount of rounds per shoe,,wont the player still have an over fifty percent edg due to his knowledge pertaining certain hands?,for example,where the basic player wouldnt?,,,,{the 3 level i use hs like an additional 150 some plays usualy unknow to basic and hi/low},,
i understand big player,about the long run ,for sure.i guess the focus of my question refers more to the actual edge and reasoning in the short term,,BUT THANK YOU INDEED FOR THE REPONSE!!,,,

SO,,if you do only get dealt two decks,from a six deck shoe,i want to know the percentage the advantage player has,IN THAT SITUATION.
for you to try and figure out why a person seeks information deviates completley from the point of interest to begin with.If you cant answer,no problems,but if you can,all the better!
questioning a writers intent cetainly leads to suspicion on your behalf.What jobs in the casino world pay folks to read forums and try to figure out who wants to know more about how to in blackjack and why?,
why i need to know?,silly question.
i enjoy learning and trying to better myself.KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
{specialy at this dang game},lol

DUH,,,can you be a smidge more detailed in your response,,yes,of course it depends on the shufle,,if you care,can you enlighen us all on the differences between shuffle "a",,and shuffle "b?,and how it then pertains to the actual game?,,
in starting to question the old addage,"no question is a bad question,,,",i asked one decent detailed question and ,aside from big players decent response,ive got "i cant see why you need to know",and,"it depends on the shuffle",,
th only real info im picking up is "who to ask,and who not too",,come on folks,,contribute!!!! its the whole point of the forum.

> i asked one decent detailed question and ,aside from big players decent response,ive got "i cant see why you need to know",and,"it depends on the shuffle",,
th only real info im picking up is "who to ask,and who not too",,come on folks,,contribute!!!! its the whole point of the forum.

Your question is not detailed, so you are not getting detailed responses. If you really want to know the edge, you will need to specify precisely: number of decks, penetration, rules, bet spread, and details of your count system. Then, if you ask nicely, someone might run a sim for you.

This sweaty casino sucks! Need I say more? I've never seen nothing like it. Casinos are not as stupid as this one...they may as well close all tables. What casino is this? Looks like the beginning of the end for pit bosses,dealers,and well ya' know, us card counters.Or better yet,just the end of this particular casino.

yup,,they have now removed the double deck game,,nothing left but six and eight deck nightmare games!!,,let us all thank this hotel chain for bettering our fine state!!

ahh,,once again,not only can we detailed expert advice on the game of blackjack,we also learn from others how to speak and act like they do!,,my heavens,if we all act the same,think the same,live the same,then,,,,,,,what i interesting world it would be!{not}

What's this casinos name? I've been to few Indiana casinos and never seen this sweaty one. Please save me and my girlfriend a wasted trip.

...where you specified number of decks, penetration, rules, bet spread, and details of your count system. It looks like you're more interested in chiding posters than getting an answer to your question.

Feel free to speak and act however you want - within the posting guidelines. I merely suggested that you'd be more likely to receive an answer if you asked nicely.