Count strategy for Super Fun 21

I'm interested in obtaining level 1 counting strategies for Super Fun 21. Any information on how to extrapolate the strategies or actual numbers would be appreciated.

SF21 - 1st pointers:

1. Due to reduced BJ value, HiLo gain per +1 is diluted 33% (ie, +.35 vs +.50), HiOpt1-2 w/o Ace side are acceptable as are 'comprised Ace' systems like ZEN and UBZ, but still, dilute your betting gain by 1/3rd.

2. Obtain the correct BS for SF (SFBS) @ www.thewizardofodds.com and familiarize with the special handling of A2-7 due to 5-6 card bonus hands, and for handling LS after doubledown (and resultantly more aggresive doubledowns).

3. Using the correct SFBS, figure an OTT housEdge of .75 (not Wong's 1.2

4. If you obtain indices for this game, forward them immediately to myself and Tinker.

I was one of the first to discover the viability of SF21 - lack of heat/hawking - %pene deeper than standard 1D - empty tables - ease to shunt others away... BUT all of that is changing, SF21 is more crowded/increasingly popular, and some clubs are more alert now.

Recently a craps dealer at a Station casino filled in to deal me heads up, deep, fast, AND FACE DOWN - jumping 1-20u w/little cover, I had a dream game for a good hour. At one point I caught a 4 card 11 and the dealer beamed "Now you can doubledown!" to which I replied, "naw me chicken, just hit" and got the 5 card 21 bonus.

In the early days of the game, I succeeded in "DOUBLE FOR MORE" on a few occaisions, but now the staff pretty much know the rules - the ONE RULE that they mostly do not know is that the game handbook preempt auto-win 1-1 and 2-1 BJ payoffs if/when the player buys insurance - so DO take advantage of this and buy insurance when appropriate even though you have an auto-win natural.

Over the past 12 months I have won 21 out of 25 SF21 sessions (which proves nothing).

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MAKE SURE IT's NOT an 8 DECK SINGLE DECK GAME.

I'm still laughing big-time about people playing multiple deck fake single deck.

its Job they would shut them down. The state would lose the tax income, and somothers would lose the GRAFT.

On occasion dealers will actually pay you 3:2 on BJ's, thats happened to me twice. Also it is very important your count system is ace neutral, a good level one is probably hi opt 1 or hi-lo reversing the ace and the nine. Side counting the diamond ace and diamond face cards(if the diamond ace is still left) is very important also. Remember that you dont have an advantage until the TC is around 3.

Shotkaller

Nearly everytime I double my 4 card 11 and make a 5 card 21, I get paid quadruple. That is even more likely if you're up against a craps dealer.

..no sign initially @ Alladin - I lost $1800 over 3 hrs with a nagging sensation that "something's not right" G

I like your handle- FEZZIK!

Can I use it as a mantra in my meditations?

Your handle tells me you are a winner. Have a great day!

PS: Am I wrong?

Since you have about a 1 in 60 chance of two identical cards coming back to back, surely you would have noticed this within a few minutes on single deck "Hey......my 16 has 2 3 of clubs in it!" Within 5 minutes, a duplicate card would have to get thrown out on the felt at the same time.

Fezzik was the name of the character played by Andre the Giant in Rob Reiner's "The Princess Bride"--an all-time classic, IMO.

Is that where you got the name, Fezzik?

... undoubtedly my subconscious noticed the glaring evidence - but the conscious mind was occupied with the losing! There was no sign at the Alledin game on its debut - and the PC further reinforced my 2D beleif by reminding the dealer "no surrendar at this table"

So... I turned fak-multidek into a NEW ADVANTAGE PLAY -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/7186

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Jus you remembr HO-GAN. I STILL........UN-DE-FEAT-ED.

4. If you obtain indices for this game, forward them immediately to myself and Tinker

I would love to have indices for this game as well. Where I play they have 7 player spots so I actually look for a crowded game since they always deal two rounds from the single deck. I'll play third base or close to it and sometimes there will only be 4 or 5 cards left in the deck when it's my turn.
With a full table I'll see true counts of +8 or more after the first round quite frequently. I just wish I wasn't such a wimp when it comes to bet spreads.

Why is side counting the diamond ace so important?

The odds of getting a diamond BJ are about 1:330.

Is it really worth the effort?

Are you sure that your count should be ace nuetral? I know the aces don't help you with blackjacks but the aces give other advantages in this game. You double more often with soft hands and aces greatly contribute to 3,4,5 card doubles, 5+ card 21's (2:1 payoff) and 6 card instant wins.

left and the diamond ace and all diamond face cards are still in tact.

Shotkaller

remaining, the dealer is going to shuffle. You should know that.

If the odds on the full deck are 330:1 for a diamond BJ, I would guess the odds on half a deck (when all of the high diamonds remain) would be about half of that (160:1) -- and I'm no mathematician. Even if they were one fourth of that (80:1), is it worth the effort to track the high diamonds? I don't think so.

(By the way, what are the odds if there are only 15 cards remaining?)

it's only 0.3% off the top of the deck.