Casey Computer For Sale

I'm certainly no expert here, but the sim programs that I'm aware of do not allow for perfect computer play. In such play, each 6 that was surplus in the shoe would be positive (towards hitting) if you had 15 and obviously change to a negative value if you held 16.

I'm curious which sim programs provide for such perfect play?

BTW, One could set such a sim up themselves with the info from Griffin's old but great classic "Theory of blackjack".

Yeah, its not that difficult to program. Purpose-built sims have been done-see Zender's "Card Counting For The Casino Executive". The extra gain is negligble. The use of a computer to calculate perfect play decisions is simply a dangerous waste of money. There is no recorded case of any one making money with one of these devices.

If I was going to use a computer at the tables I'd concentrate on the shuffle. That is a thousand times more effective. Under ideal conditions using a shuffle-tracking computer is like playing with a cooler.

Can you please document (or point me in the direction to find) one case where a computer user has done a day of time?

Where a computer case has been prosecuted?

Thanks for your help.

I've been checking the Florida statutes and found no prohibition against using a device in a casino (although casinos themselves are illegal there). But one could exploit this loophole... the fact that the boats must float outside of the state's legal jurisdiction in order to conduct gambling makes the use of computers not against the law... because the boats conduct their gambling by leaving legal jurisdiction then one could argue that any laws against cheating are also outside of any legal jurisdiction for the same reason. They can't have it both ways, by arguing that they can conduct gambling because they are "outside of Florida" while claiming that any anti-cheating statutes that may exist would apply while they are "outside of Florida" conducting their gambling operations. (But then again what would stop the casino boat from administering their own brand of "justice"?)

Thor, I'm sorry but I don't have any idea except for you to look through Nevada and NJ case law (however it is one does that). You might also try contacting the Casino Control Boards/Commissions in casino states as well as Attorneys General. There also may be reports which break crimes down into different offenses. That should give you something to work on.

Personally I really don't care if anyone has ever been jailed for using one. The facts are, at least for New Jersey, that the possiblility of spending time in jail exists. If you or anyone else want to risk it I really don't care. What I do care about is that anyone considering using one of these things be fully informed as to the possible consequences. I'd hate to think of some poor sucker, who fell for the baloney on the Casey website, getting arrested because he or she didn't know any better.

I believe that the people promoting Casey are sneaks and are telling half truths on their website so as not to affect sales. I reread the site last night and it does not say the use of Casey is "a felony" in only four states. It says,

"Can Casey be used anywhere?
No. The following states do not allow "electronic devices" in their casinos: Illinois, Iowa, Mississippi, and Nevada. Casey can be used in other states that offer blackjack (about 40), including casinos outside the U.S."

That's a bald faced lie as I showed in my previous post. Of course they don't actually say that you can use it "legally" in the other 40 states. They are playing word games probably to protect themselves from lawsuits etc... and care nothing for the well being of their customers. As with anything else it always best to check things out for yourself. Or at the very least get advice on legalities from somewhere other than the Casey site. Good luck with your search. Hit 'em hard, The Side

The Florida boats are now using security methods that would catch
the unit before boarding.

for someone to build something similar to Casey using a Palm Pilot. With the power of CPU's today as opposed to yester-year I can't believe someone hasn't come up w/ something...

Jayel

for someone to build something similar to Casey using a Palm Pilot. With the power of CPU's today as opposed to yester-year I can't believe someone hasn't come up w/ something...

Certainly. With so much minaturization you could make the device as small as you like. If I was going to do it I'd just use a 3G mobile phone - a computer that would arouse no suspicion.
The programming isn't difficult either-with modern CPU's simple hi-level languages are quite adequate in terms of speed.

But, the problem remains. The gain from a Casey-type device is negligble. You'd be risking jail for a tenth of a % extra, even assuming you could operate the thing without increased error. It makes no sense on any level. With the fantastic gains available nowadays from sophisticated shuffle-tracking devices, the Casey concept is just an anacronism.

I presented a similar question to Steve Bourie (American Casino Guide). He was formerly involved in the gaming industry in Florida and now lives in Florida. I asked him what recourse the gambling boats in Florida have against cheaters. He replied that he didn't know and that that was an interesting question. He also said that a few weeks ago, a friend of his saw a team of players who were caught cheating at the Three Card Poker table on one of the Florida boats who were turned over to the police when they reached port. However, it is my understanding that the Florida boats sail to Federal waters (three-mile limit) and not international waters. It appears to me that the Feds would have jurisdiction. Are there attorneys out there who talk out of the sides of their mouthes who know for sure? Does anybody have any first-hand info?

John,

You made reference to, "sophisticated shuffle-tracking devices" , could you please tell me where I can get more info? If you would prefer , e-mail me.

...who sells these devices publicly I know of is the Australian
Michael Barnett. Barnett is a darksider who has annoyed an awful lot of people with various hacking stunts. I couldn't recommend you do business with him, despite the fact his knowledge of advantage play is very impressive indeed.

You can try going to your local magic shop, and asking the assistant if they know of any one who produces devices to assist in the prediction of card shuffles for a magicians performance. You must phrase it that way or they will suspect you are from law enforcement. They probably won't keep any such device on the premises but they may be able to put you into contact with someone who can sell you one. Usually what you are offered will be a sequencing-based computer, like the "Black Magic" device in Carlson's "Blackjack For Blood".

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

I am quite familiar with MB . I was not interested in purchasing anything , only looking for information. Thanks for your reply.

BC