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Mar 7, 2018, 2:47:13 PM

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You always lose even when you win. There are two methods the online bandits make sure you always LOSE.

1) SIGN UP BONUS
Some of them bandits offer outrageous bonuses! I saw bonuses of 5000 Euros! ONE MUST AVOID THE BONUSES AT ALL COSTS! I knew about that extortion scheme and I declined the bonus. One must read carefully before accepting the signup bonus:

“Prior to accepting any bonus, you will be notified of the total Rollover Point amount that is tied to each bonus. This Rollover Point amount needs to be met in full prior to being able to request a withdrawal.”

Accepting the signup bonus is like accepting your own imprisonment. You are tied to your online account until you lose your money entirely. If you win, you can’t withdraw your money that includes the bonus. You must bet again and again and again. If you want to claim the bonus you must bet, on average, 10 times your initial deposit. Chances are big the vast majority of players will lose all their money after, say, 5 bets. Lose all your money means you also lost your signup “bonus”.

2) WITHDRAWAL
This is the most outrageous tactic applied by the online bandits. I put an online casino to the test. I placed a bet in the last Super Bowl. I had a high level of confidence I’d win by betting on Philadelphia Eagles +5. I did win easily as I posted my bet at least two days before the game.

Now, I wanted to withdraw all the money in my account.
First, the player is hit by an outrageous FEE: US$ 60. The worst is still to come. Here is what the online criminal casino I dealt with email me after my withdrawal request:

“Thank you for contacting GTbets.eu.

We would like to inform you that in order to receive a payout, should you have deposited by credit, prepaid or debit card, you will be required to fill out our Credit Card Authorization Form verifying the original charges before any payments can be processed.
We need from you:
Front & Back copy of the credit card ending – ****
Front & Back copy of your ID
Signed authorization form ( Contact us for the electronic form)
Recent utility bill ( not older than 3 months)”

They already verified my ID and also security requirements when I opened my account. Now, they go further, including disclosing sensitive information. Revealing credit card and other personal data can lead and usually leads to DISASTER: ID theft, banking breaches, etc. But the criminals claim: “… the security procedures are given to you in the email so you can protect yourself from Identity theft as well.”

Those “requirements” are only elements of a scheme to make it virtually impossible to withdraw your own money. Forget about bonus and all that garbage!

I warned about the criminal online gambling outlets in the early 2000s. The online bandits are more sophisticated than ever — and more criminal than ever!

There have been strong warnings all over the Internet:

“Online, Internet Casinos Survive Only by Cheating the Gamblers.”

“Reports of Cheating in Online, Internet Gambling.”

But, hey, all gambling has always been the realm of organized crime. You go to Las Vegas, enter a casino, and gamble with the hope of winning. No one is warned at the entrance “You are not allowed to win!” It happens that you win, the casino management starts panicking; they fear you are a “trained winner”. You might as well end up in what they call “back room”. They might as well beat the lights out of you…

weezrDASvegas

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Mar 8, 2018, 1:33:43 PM

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There is a whole lot more engagement on this topic elsewhere. Even representatives of online gambling outlets participate. Most posters however point out FRAUD and ILL-INTENTIONS pursued and acted upon by the online andits.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/online/30393-beware-of-the-criminal-online-casinos/

I’mAboutEven

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Jan 19, 2019, 1:07:04 AM

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I haven’t played online in many years however I was heavily involved until just before Black Friday or whatever they called the big shutdown. I played in the days of PayPal, then Netteller, seems like one or two others came along- fortunately I had zero balances everywhere when everything shut down for US players.

I played a bit after but the gyrations of moving money just became too much of a hassle. I documented every deposit, every cash out and had two losing months in my career, ended up ahead in the mid 5 figure range, I wasn’t a pro and didn’t have much money or time. If there’s such a thing as a casual AP- that was me.

In any event, Bryan Bailey’s site, Casinomeister was always the gold standard in terms of evaluating safe casinos and if one played places that he greenlighted he’d go to bat for anyone and resolved disputes exceptionally well. I am nearly positive that he was the first and best player advocate- he had a good reputation on both sides, players and casino mgmt alike.

He’s still out there, no idea how things stand now. I never lost a dime from non-payment. Not once.

I visited and contributed regularly, was a mod on a sister site of sorts, GoneGambling. It was a quirky site but I did it for cover, protection against being shorted, relationships and bonuses that could be stacked on top of deposit bonuses. I think the owner of Gonegambling sold out to Bryan and Deb, the GG co-captain or whatever ran it for awhile. For all I know she still is, her handle was GreedyGirl. We communicated by phone and email for years.

CM doesnt seem to support many or any US players, not sure but probably right as the last I looked the most reputable casinos stopped accepting US players a long time ago although I suppose there are ways around it now. I just have no idea and don’t want to fool with it anymore.

I always wondered who owned and financed these these online casinos. Always suspected organized crime, seemed perfect fit for a number of reasons but many ran good operations- there was much to gain by running a clean operation with a ton of money moving around and there are other reasons to have an online casino besides showing a healthy profit. I’m sure there are and were legit businesses, maybe all of them were but I can’t help but think that at least some made their money elsewhere. There were always shady operations but it wasn’t hard to pick them up, had to be careful with RTG casinos and pretty much anything that didn’t run one of the larger software developers products. There were a few good RTG casinos, maybe even most- it’s been a long time. I just can’t remember all of the different brands but only a couple were held to account by their developers- RTG was completely hands off and where the shady guys often set up.

FWIW- hope this helps.

Maverick

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Jan 26, 2019, 12:14:30 PM

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Yes I remember those days. CasinoMeister and some other player advocates kept the casinos honest or blackballed them. Grabbing the bonus was the only reason to play and the sticky bonus was beloved by many APs. There was also a guy that went by the name of Spearmaster. He helped me recover the bonus from a microgaming group who denied me the bonus for using autoplay.

Man those were great days. There was one group whose software was busted in the players favor. It was still busted when casino gambling was shut down in the US.

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