banned from casinos

why do card counters get banned or asked to leave casinos? if knowing to count cards isnt that realiable or solid, card counting and the efforts of learning how to count cards and having that edge ,so many books so many diffrent people saying they never win or it doesnt work ,i have heard that people used to make money in the old days at blackjack but now you cant anymore are there realy pros out there that make a liveing at this game? and is it a good one ,,sorry for all questions but i am new to all this ...thank you ...troy

If casinos did not believe that at least a good counter has an advantage over them then they would welcome instead of backing off counters. Casinos believe and understand the math behind advantage play and it is one reason for backoffs, lower penetration, CSM's, Mindplay, 6/5 single deck etc.
When you say realiable, I guess you might mean consistant? Well, blackjack is a game by nature of high variance. The swings are huge and the best advantage player in the world could probably tell you about times that he had fantastic counts only to get killed over and over again. Everything is based upon the "long run" and in it you will win but you better be mentally and financialy prepared for negative swings.
There were good games available in just about every venue years ago. Today there are many places that are just not worth walking into. But today there are many many more places to play and many of them have games that can be beat. There are sources that can give you the rules and playing conditions at just about any casino which can save your time when planning a trip.
As far as pros go, I am not one but they are out there. For myself, I have counted for 20 years. If I throw out the first four of those years (lost 3 of 4) where I made many newbe errors and did not have the confidence to throw the big bets out there, I have been a winner in 11 of the 16 years, supplementing my income nicely a few of those times.

because casinos are greedy money making machines. There is not a greater sore loser than a a casino...especially at table games. If you get lucky and win, they immediately want to know why. If they think you've got an edge and/or can possibly bet big enough to seriously hurt them and have been lucky they will quite often ask you to not play blackjack anymore. If they aren't sure about your edge but are just afraid of your action they will usually attempt to be very polite about it. If you've beaten them and hurt their feelings by really taking advantage of a situation (hole carding comes to mind immediately) they may be much more nasty about it.

There are some casinos, however, that take the nuclear option right off the bat and 86 all advantage players, evict them from their hotel rooms, and tell them never to comeback. (Bally's Las Vegas, Harrah's Las Vegas, and Hollywood Tunica are good examples).

that sometimes it is in the casinos best interest to just fade the advantage play and let everyone blast away...they usually make more money. The paranoia level at certain Atlantic City casinos costs them way more money than they save from just letting everyone play. (they can't bar but they can 1/2 shoe and bet restrict).

The exception is a small casino that gets mostly small action but has high table limits. These casinos can get murdered should counters decide that they like the game. Why?? Because the action of the skilled players will dwarf the action of the regular customer base. The casino could solve this by simply having $100 max bets on most of their games (since they are a low roller casino) and only having a $500 max on one table only by request for known customers. In lieu of such an obvious solution, they resort to barring skilled players (usually after the players have beaten them out of serious money). Often these places in order to prevent players from having any chance to win money are very aggressive and quick to decide to bar players...which means that more often that not, potential good customers get caught up in the dragnet. (Peppermill in Reno, Coast Properties in Vegas) for example.

Well, I'm not sure I'm a pro or not. It depends on your definition. The only job I have is blackjack. In the months of June and July, I made $13,000 . Now, if I had a bigger bankroll and was betting 4 times as much, 4 * 13,000 = $52,000 . Not bad for 2 months of work, if you can call it that. It is work sometimes, believe me. I also spent money on hotels, though and eating out while on the road so I am spending a little more. The losing streaks that bigplayer talks about definitely happen and I had one of those just recently. I lost $2,500 in about 20 minutes. It happened very fast and left me dazed and confused. Be careful out there and if I had one more piece of advice to give you, bet big in the positive counts.

By everyone knowing that people get barred for couting it deters people from card couting with as much profit as possible. If there was a casino with today's rules some of these guys in this forum could be millionairs, no doubt. They would borrow loads of money, bet REALLY high when the count tells them to, and change their play decisions.

The reason that these pros do not play as good as they could is because they do not want to get barred. Barring people is to A) get rid of the people that bet big and win too much and B) to over-react to card couting which will scare away others from becoming great counters

you should be paying nothing for hotels or meals. (other than tips). I haven't paid for a hotel room in 5 years of play with over 200 nights a year on the road.

"why do card counters get banned or asked to leave casinos?"

They believe your playing manners will not yeild any money from you in the long run. Also realize that you, as a card counter, are looked at as a whole. You are not an individual. It's all advantage players vs the casino. I understand some joints tolerate low action, but that's not the point. Individually, you are probably not a threat to their bottom line. Collectively and without action, you are. That's why they have to do this. They don't care or know what your bankroll is, all they care about is what you are doing on the table. You are part of an abstract bankroll.

Considering you guys sound like green/black chip players, how many casinos in the world will deal you guys a decent pitch game? It must be very difficult otherwise to make a living on 6D games.

the Vegas casino bosses tell you, there are still many casinos in the U.S. that take black...even purple action at single deck and double deck games. Of course I'm not going to tell you where but I'll give you an example....Horseshoe in Tunica.

Bigplayer, it is great if you can get that deal (free hotel rooms). All I know is that the casinos I go to suck. I'll be betting $300 a hand and they will come up and offer me a card and say, "hey, why don't I get you a player's card, you got enough now to get a free buffet." ?????? $300 a hand = free buffet . Anyone see anything wrong with this ? Of course, I say no. I lost a thousand dollars at one casino and they sent me a comp for $5 in tokens/chips. I'm like WTF . If you can lend some advice, please do. I don't think there is any changing those asshole pit bosses. Could be that they know I'm good and just don't want to give me anything.

$300 a hand at places like the Stardust or the Trop would get you a suite besides your food and drinks. I think $50-$100 gets RFB with 4 or more hours of play but I am not sure. Now they might not have the best games or enough tables with good games to do much wonging but the Stardust might have a good DD game and the Trop has a few tables of S17 6D LSR, usual rules.