i have to ask,but how often can you win at b-jack with counting cards //thank you troy ps: has any one ever made any money playing with this card counting b/s at indian casinos? thanks troy
8 out of 10 days this year. My long term record was 5 (won 5, broke evn 2, lost 3). I played better games this year.
There are some very small Indian casinos and still a few that have per hand collection fees. But, for the most part, the Indian casinos are not any different than any other casinos. Many of the bigger ones are run by casino management companies hired by the tribes. Foxwoods is the biggest casino in the world. Paula and Barona in S California are nice.
About winning, most beginners really have the wrong idea. Card counting is a way for large bankrolls to grind out small profits over a long period of time. The returns are far superior to nearly any other investment you might be able to think of but still not the money machine that newbies are looking for, or have been lead to believe by watching TV and movies.
If while you are at one of these Indian joints, your wife gets groped and rapped by the executive staff boys -or- some new construction steel beam falls and cuts off your legs, your just at their mercy of what they will decide to do about it.
Our wonderful federal government took away our rights and gave them "Sovereign Immunity" which in turn gave them every right to do as they please based on that which is in a treaty they gave them. The Dept. of Interior and Bureau of Indian Affairs should be sent a large class-action lawsuit for doing this.
Enjoy your stay while keeping your fingers crossed that nothing goes wrong while your there. :-)
Indian land is still a part of the US. You may have to go to federal court but you are still a US citizen. You don't need a Visa to go there, so you still have every right to sue if something neglegent happens. You can't go there and murder somebody or go over the speed limit. Law still apply there, but gaming laws are bended because the state still gets a good chuck.
Yes, we can sue the Indians. However, given their Sovereign Immunity, we may just as well sue the man in the moon.
........George Dubya Bush 'plained it to me:
This will give you something to think about every time you step foot on Indian land, it sure was an eye opener for me.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/ca/story/6414026p-7366260c.html
Until now, I thought I was the only one preaching and working to educate people on the lawlessness that occurs in Indian Territory. A real eye opener for the multitudes of people who haven't a clue.
It's all nothing new to me. If interested to know more, do a search on my previous postings using the key word "Indian".
Bare minimum, I think the Indian Casinos should have a large disclaimer board at the entrance of their facilities, outlining their rules and laws, what happens if their laws are broken, what they are doing to insure the health, safty and civil rights of all the people on their land and also the fact that they are immune to lawsuits.
casinos do have a big sign when you enter their territory saying you're entering a Sovereign Nation and are subject to their laws and their court system.
We should clarify the nature of Tribal Sovereignty. It is often said that �you can�t bring a suit because of tribal sovereignty�. You can bring a suit, you just have to bring it before a Tribal Court. I don�t why people find this surprising.
If I drive into Ohio and have an auto accident with a n Ohio person, I don�t think I can sue them here in a Michigan court. I think I have to go an Ohio court.. It is the same with a reservation.
Some probably see alack of checks and blatancies when dealing with Indian casinos, because the Tribal government runs the casinos. OK, not the best situation. But is that a lot worse than in Nevada, where the casinos own the government?
The mentioned a case:
* A 65-year-old Visalia woman was accidentally crushed by a 350-pound gambler at an Indian casino near Lemoore. It took her a month to walk with crutches, and 18 confusing months to collect a settlement from the tribe.
I don�t think it is unusual to have to wait 18m months for a settlement outside of Indian territory? The fact that she got a settlement suggests that the system was working.
There were some other cases where people won judgments in California courts, but could not enforce them. Duh! Doesn�t everybody know that you can�t collect on a state judgment against an Indian tribe. What lawyer brought this action? Seems to me like they have a strong malpractice claim against that lawyer.
The overall impression conveyed by the article is that the tribes are abusing Tribal sovereignty. This may be true. It is hard for me to get a handle on he scale of the problem. I don�t know if there is just some cheating on the margins, or if the whole system is broke.
Ultimately though, if Tribal Sovereignty fails, and if the tribes do not live up to their responsibility, Congress can take legislative action. The limiting of tribal sovereignty. The loss of Sovereignty will hurt the Indians a lot more than any short term gain they are getting from this abuse.
I don�t know a lot about the situation in California, but it sounds to me like some of these problems could be fixed by sate legislation. However, the state is probably very dependent on casino revenues, and not likely to take action against the tribes. In my state, one of the tribes was a huge political contributor, and practically owned a chunk of the state legislature.
with their lemos going at any speed they want.
The 65-year old woman from Visalia most likely received a settlement because of the bad publicity that the incident was beginning to cause. You can be rest assured the Indians aren�t going to pay a claim unless it is somehow in their best financial interest and because the eyes of the community are watching. Not because they are forced to abide by the laws we are accustomed to.
Also, I can't see a chance in hell to beat them in their own court on anything. I wonder how many claims have been tried in their court and what percentage of those were won by the claimants.
I have heard of women having to perform sexual favors to some executive casino operators. They also allegedly told those women there wasn't a damned thing they could do otherwise and that they would be fired if they didn't perform.
I have heard of women having to perform sexual favors to some executive casino operators. They also allegedly told those women there wasn't a damned thing they could do otherwise and that they would be fired if they didn't perform.
This is most certainly not limited to Indian casinos. It may be less bad than it used to be, but it is still commonplace.
Years ago, I was bragging that I won in all 7 of my first 7 trips to L.V. (each trip was 4 or 5 days long) and that I had never been backed off. DD' replied that I will have plenty of losing trips and that if I was playing a good game that I would be backed off at many of the casinos. He was right. I have had plenty of losing trips since then and have been backed off at over a dozen casinos (some of them multiple times).
Dr 21
There was a case not long ago where the Monte Carlo had to return 40K worth of confiscated chips from a counter. I wonder if that would happen in "Indian Court."
Dr 21
There was a case not long ago where the Monte Carlo had to return 40K worth of confiscated chips from a counter.
The Chen decision by the Nevada Supreme Court was decided by a 3-1 margin, with Justice Maupin dissenting. Justice Maupin wrote essentially that the Monte Carlo should be able to steal the player's winnings. Three justices recused themselves from the matter, apparently because of conflicts of interest.
It is noteworthy that both the Gaming Control Board and the District Court ruled that the casino should be allowed to steal Mr Chen's winnings. So, at the lower levels, the ridiculous rulings were consistent with what might be expected in tribal court.
At least in a typical American court if there is evidence or witnesses, the abused person has a real case that can be properly tried with a real chance of winning it.
There have been cases on the reservation where the Indian casinos refused to cash the chips for some APs. Eventually their lawyers were able to get the chips cashed for them.
I do not the legal details of what process th3ey went through. All I know is that they did get their money.
I don�t see where Nevada has a clear advantage over the Indians in this type of issue.
California tribal casino that got caught cheating players. The players sued the casino in indian court and lost.
