Hand shuffle games are becoming very hard to find. My question is if there is any value in counting auto shuffled shoe games. I'm not talking about king continous shuffler, i'm talking about open shoe games shuffled by machine. I've backcounted them and got some plus counts but feel they definatley don't clump the same as hand shuffle. I know that definatly hand shuffle is the way to go but if all there is is aoto then can it be played or not.

