I might include it in a book yelling FAIR USE all the way:)
I might include it in a book yelling FAIR USE all the way:)
You're pomposity, arrogance, and self-absorbtion is remarkable.
You may find it .. "commendable that you and Norm visit bj21 from time to time to uphold the honor of RGE" .. but two things:
1. Norm probably hates being grouped in with me, so if for nothing else, do him a favor and quit.
2. You're the loyalist in this discussion. I'm not pimping for anyone.
My singular point was then and is now that AS, T-Man, and the loyalist had only one objective in mind; to publically humiliate, and bring to financial ruin, a man and his company.
The withering, spiteful, mean-spirited, public campaign to do so as well as the posting of private email in a public venue was a disgrace to all those who participated in it and allowed it to happen. When the adults that work for Anthony Curtis (his lawyers) finally woke up, those emails could not be taken down fast enough. Collectively they were the actions of little boys trying to play in a man's world who either should not have been allowed, or were not capable of, getting there way. So they resorted to a screaming public fit.
You can classify me as a Schlesinger sychophant or a Don's Disciple any time you wish; I'm not, but last I heard, he is a pretty stand up guy -no?
And last, I'm not interested in duking it out with anyone, least of all you and T-Man. However if you and he don't see a therapist soon and you continue to have this Jones to bring up all this old crap, I'm happy to chat it up. It will be much easier for me now in a venue where my posts are not getting busted while yours and T-Man's are allowed to remain.
"We have not forgotten .. "
Here's a tip you never asked for -life is much easier when you do.
Thanks for pointing out some of my more remarkable qualities.
You came a little late to the party to have such strong feelings on this issue. By the time it caught your attention....unless you are Viktor's twin brother... all you got to see was the smoke. My friends...whom I trust and admire...told me a very believable story with documentation.
The bottom line is this ...To all who would enter into business with VN, caveat emptor.
I have no quarrel with RGE as a company. If T-man wants to yell 'fire' every time he smells smoke coming from the basement of RGE, he has earned that privilege. If... after a man has put his heart and soul into building a business over twenty years...he gets blind-sided and stripped of the assets... I can understand why the kid gloves might be coming off.
If you have chosen to make this your internet crusade, so be it. Funny that I never see such passion from you for any other issue. But as you pointed out, here at bj21 you can say as much or as little as you please without fear of censorship.
I have one question though. If both T-man and I need to see a therapist soon, do we need to go together....like couples therapy... or is it okay if we go separately?
No matter how much you protest about the victimization of Viktor you will not gain the satisfaction of clearing the slate. Too many people know too much about what went down to ignore his culpability in broken partnerships.
But flail away. It suits you to carry the banner when no one else will.
Regards,
scobee
But, your post goes beyond slander. It is also insulting to Arnold. Do you really believe he was so stupid he somehow lost his 20 year business and all his assets? You are right about one thing. Many people know what happened. Too bad you post this slander when you are not one.
There is no "we' as well you know. I have tried many times to pacify you so we could have substantial conversations and your obstinacy precluded all progress. It is this topic that has split us and so to insist on jumping back in on my response to sunrunner is just further evidence of why we no longer correspond.
Intimidation tactics do not work on me. This was a post for sunrunner who has personally insulted me for taking an opposing side in defense of my opinion of the truth.
So, if you don't mind, I will just ignore your attempts to bully me. Try it on someone else.
Have your lawyer call my lawyer. I think Arnold can take care of himself, too. I said "lost assets" not "lost all assets." Ask him if he thinks he got a fair settlement. Ask T-man if he thinks he got a fair settlement.
This is pointless. I repeat...caveat emptor.
Regards,
scobee
these are the ramblings of a man who has NO life and a pathetic penchant to Hero Worship, or as some may say to "Suck Up".
You are correct in the opening paragraph, very correct, and it is embarrasing to watch.
But hey(!), what the hell, I still consider him my dearest of compadres. :-).
Iggy.
I still have a long way to go until I reach NO life. But I have faith that a life in the theatre is just around the corner. Until then, I guess it's just me and Mr. Jones.
We hobbyists really should stick together.
I miss you too, buddy. Too bad your internet persona doesn't reflect what a great guy you really are.
Regards,
scobee
p.s. Size does matter. Especially when it comes to soap.
the poster holds the copyright....not you. The original poster may have some reason to complain to Stanford. The concept of "fair use" is fairly subjective and up to a court to decide. Then, even if the post goes beyond fair use, what are the damages?
On T-Man's veracity
You believe what you have been told by others and what was illegally posted by T-Man (and deleted by Anthony on advice of his lawyers despite of his agreement not to delete BJFO posts.)On Caveat EmptorI am too old to take anything second hand. My impressions come from a phone conversation with T-Man and contact with his partner in a business that he claimed on this site never even existed. Based on T-Man's own admissions, I decided that I would not do business with him because he was not an honest person. Now he can make wild claims about Viktor all that he wishes since BJ21 rarely invokes its claim to delete attacks. And I will continue to remind people that T-Man had a motive and that all defensive responses to his claims on BJFO and CCC were deleted. He was attempting to start up a competing business at the very moment that he resigned and started his attacks. And his posts were protected from negative response.
On Sun RunnerYou claim that people should risk doing business with RGE. On BJFO, it was claimed that RGE was cheating all of its authors and that they were all upset and would leave. Well, it has been a year now. Why hasn't this happened? BJ folk don't take kindly to being cheated.
You saw it when SR was accused by an alias of a person, that we both have the good sense not to mention, was Viktor. Arnold then added on that he had proof. It was an embarrassing mistake, it was deleted from BJFO and SR was banned for this false accusation. I may not agree with all SR says. But, I'd be pissed too. And you know the source of this paranoia and know that I can't mention it.
BJFO piled on RGE to an extent I haven't seen since days of Doug Grant. And who were these people attacking RGE? Did you notice that several were people thrown off of BJ21 GC for various offenses? Including the person that caused the shutdown of these very pages? On the other hand, who remains at RGE? Are we all fools or crooks? If you want to keep the company of the hole-card mafia that's your business. I'll remain in Don's circle.
On Honest Sites
The purpose of a BJ site is to honestly inform BJ players of all stripes. One of the reasons that I have always respected Arnold is for one of the quotes that you gave - 'you won't win.' This is telling it as it is. Look at RGE and this site. Do you see 'Be the Dealer' ads on RGE? Look at the first page of BJ21. There is a 'review' of handheld BJ giving this awful software 4.5 out of 5 stars. I don't call it awful because I compete. BJRM competes and is great. I call it awful because I get the calls from people pissed off because they bought it. But, let me continue. I was offered by BJ21 to replace that 'review' with a 'review' of my software for $3,000 a year. Review was not put in quotes by me. It was put in quotes in the offer. This 'review' is paid for. FTC regs say a paid for 'infomercial' should be identified as such. Screw the player, sell reviews to the highest bidder. Of course I refused. I don't do business that way. And neither does RGE.On these posts
Now you know from private conversations that there is much in specifics that I could add; except that I would never state them in public. So, you can continue your accusations - and I cannot fully respond without making public dirty laundry in the BJ field. But, do as you wish. I will attempt to respond within the parameters of what I believe is in the good of the community. An no, I don't claim to be a super-anything. Just a guy that loves the game of BJ and reacts when he sees unfair comments.
It makes perfectly good sense internally and has great color graphics....although again I have only your authority to confirm some of the sub-topics. But it would not be the first time I have adjusted my position during your more rational approach.
As you know, the tertiary concerns do not interest me. I respect your diligence and the discretion you show in not naming names. The time line I was presented with suggests that some facts in your portrayal are slightly skewed to confirm a theory that Viktor was set up. This I disagree with. I think it was frustration that brought about the exploration for a competing business. I was told that T-man would have been happy to develop Trackjack if compensated as agreed upon.
But instead of arguing with you...either publicly or privately...about the sequence of events, I will apologize for the reprehensible behavior of rabid speculators on BJFO and the grossly unfair treatment of Sun Runner there. There were a lot of mistakes made in the heat of retribution. At times I tried to reason with people in charge to no avail. Many questions went unanswered. In fact I lobbied for SR to be able to post but was ignored.
The worst thing I can say is that I can not trust Viktor because of my conversations with him and the hearsay I have received from people I believe in....even though they definitely had axes hot on the grinding wheel. As I told you before, you present a very comprehensive outline of the guilty parties in what became an ugly tirade. My issue is what appears to be a continuing attempt to absolve Viktor from his part in the proceedings due to an over-reaction from the injured parties. So when SR says it was all about the reaction from the BJFO contingent, I feel compelled to remind him that there was a catalyst to this explosion that was quite unnecessary. Timeliness is next to Godliness....or something like that. I think you know what I mean about being on time.
It is very tempting to address some of the other issues you bring to bear on this discussion such as tactics of the LVHCM, infomercials on bj21, author's compensation, and false intelligence about SR and his preferential treatment at BJFO. On these topics I think you have pretty cleanly summed up (I almost wrote 'simmed') the 'trials' in a non-trivial way and as I have mentioned before, I have no desire to justify these actions in any way, shape, or form. So you can see that I am not immune to good information and do not intend to keep on defending one camp or another at whatever cost to veracity. Those guys really screwed up and eventually the demise of BJFO was inevitable given the rancor that became the de facto policy of that site. Many of the most prolific posters there just stopped writing because the negative vibe was too much to endure. So indeed, it self-destructed as was its destiny. At least this is my opinion. The fight club was not a good idea, as it turned out.
I am pleased that RGE is publishing Don's long-awaited revised edition and that traffic is up. The more the merrier. As I reprimanded Eliot the other day, the more good information that is made available to advantage players the more level the playing field will be against the casinos. I am sick of arguing fine points with respected posters.
You made a very thought provoking post here. My opinion is you are so old, you can't help but be wise when you stop to take a breath.
{:-)
Breathe deeply and don't forget to exhale... you just said a mouthful.
So I guess we can all agree with Sun Runner that my pomposity, arrogance, and self-absorption is remarkable. Even Ouchez is impressed.
I think that people learn from mistakes when they recognize their participation in them includes some personal responsibility. When someone posits Viktor as blameless I will remind the community that I do not agree with this. I had been intentionally silent on this topic since the demise of BJFO. I hope the opportunity does not arise again to remind people that all of us got our hands dirty in the process.
If it happens again, I will just bite my tongue. The only taste of blood I can stomach is my own.
It doesn't seem like it is on your board Eliot, your site have a reputation for easy censorship.
Mr. Hide
Which post are you talking about?
I didn�t see anything on Green Chip that I thought violated copyright?
There was one post that came in a thread where this was a dialog with you. You stated that he misquoted you. So he reproduced the quotes he was talking about. I think they were one or two sentences.
Is that what you are referring to?
took the words right out of my mouth. All of this spy vs spy stuff makes no sense to all of the grunts that don't work behind the Wizard of Oz's curtain.
IMO if something gets posted on a free board, it is freeware. Sure one may expect others to have a moral obligation to ask to copy it, OR to delete it, but usually, that goes out the window for people's personal reasons. If it is posted on a pay board, it is not freeware OR shareware. If I can put up a page that points to a free message, then I feel it is available to everyone any ways.
Further more, it is hardly worth your while to pursue a so called copywrite infringment. You would have to be able to show how it hurt you and how it helped the other party. I often find articles I have written on peoples sites. I try to get in touch with them and ask for a my standard fee OR a link back. Even so, I will register it with a multi site search engine submit.
The Grifter Interview article on your site is not Elly's, it's Barfy's. I can put up a page and link to it, and to any other site that has something to do with "Dr. Evil" without anyones permission. OR I can ask Barfarkel if I can use it and accept his yes or no. To me, my realtionship with Barfarkel means more to me than my so called personal agenda to save the world like Austin Powers would. Some things are just not cricket Basil, even if they can't take you to court.
MOLE!
Mollymollymollymollymollymolly!!
GuakaMOllie!
I copied the April Fools joke to the Card Counter's Cafe. How big will the fine be and where can I do my time if I don't have the money?
Sha!
I think I even posted one of Elly's Podiums, but my intent was to give him some publicity. He was running for Mayor at his site, which is not his anymore. "Isn't that wierd?" ala Goldmember. His name was the only one on the ballot for some reason.
"May I present the very toight, very sexual, Austin Power's Fassssha!"
"There's two things I can't stand: Intolerance of other people's cultures, and the DUTCH!"
"Take the Fassssha away!"
More powerful than RGE.
Able to leap tall Wattenbergers in a single bound.*
�Look! Up in the sky!�
�It�s a bird!�
�It�s a plane!�
�It�s Titaniumman!�
Yes, it�s Titaniumman, strange (very strange) visitor from the South who can change the course of mighty websites, bend public opinion with factual proof, and who, disguised as mild mannered Michael Belgard, ex-editor of the Daily Trackjack, fights a never ending battle for truth, justice, and the Blackjack Community way.
This is only my second post in this thread. I didn�t respond to any of Viktor�s posts with their little barbs aimed at this site when he made them, but I decided to do so when one of them was placed over here. All I did was say that it looks to me like Viktor is frustrated, and then I provided my reasons for my opinion.
You know what? I can do that. Not only is it free speech, I�m a dues paying member on this board, and until the administration here tells me different, I will continue to say what I want.
If it moves Norm Wattenberger to continue with his false and slanderous claims against me and for Sunrunner and Ouchez to gripe about something to which they have no knowledge, so be it.
*Disclaimer � I have no idea of Norm�s actual height.
If you want me to bust my post, ask me, not SW. I usually put an email address in my posts. Or, if you prefer, respond here. All you have to do is say the word. And, I'll state again that it wasn't my intention to take you out of context.
Regards,
MF
This has no doubt become boring but for four or five people.
Please be clear on just one thing about me: I can not, nor will I ever, tolerate bullies -and that is what your friends became.
When they could not themselves get satisfaction, rather than go through the legal process in place to seek retribution (if owed) they solicited the aid of Anthony Curtis and hatched a plan to publically do the outrageous things I've described before. Like all bullies, they no doubt felt that just from their sheer force of will they could run Nacht out of town. And if you dared called them on their bully/pack methodology -they shut you out -even in the so called fight club -all the while maintaining their public persona of come one come all.
That is what pissed me off.
You say 'caveat emptor' when it comes to dealing with Nacht. Would you really now want to do business, real business, grown-up business, with Snyder or T-Man? God help you if it didn't go their way.
My personal opinion -your posts are fraught with condescension. You call me a johnny-come-lately to the party. While I may not have been in the board room with VN, AS, and T-Man when things went bad, I was around from the get go when the bullies showed up and I have a fair amount of understanding how business should be handled.
BTW, I received a bit of private email from both sides during that ordeal -that will continue to remain private. Actually, I've swithched computers since then and didn't save that hard drive.
:) Why would I want to do that?
Good luck on the theater thing .. if that is what you're pursing. I truly hope it goes well for you.
SR
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