A quote about card counting from John May..

" And, frankly, any one who is still counting in the mistaken impression that is a superior or even adequate form of advantage play is a moron."

That's May's professional(insulting) comment to my post. Well I guess May thinks I'm a moron because I believe card counting is the backbone of casino blackjack,everything else(bac,ace location,csm latentcy,etc.) is only a by product. I'm not sure if May has ever had any long term experience with casino card counting. I truly and sincerely doubt he has ever made the grade as a proficient card counter and simply gave up after having a few terrible negative swings. I'd like to hear some opinions from the experienced veterans.
Do you put card counting on the back-burner? I certainly dont.

I'm sure Frank,BMW,and Anonymouse agree with John, so I would appreciate if they would not post.

John May likes to make wild statements. He has a long history of doing so. Try to pin him down on some specifics, or talk actual cases, or "put his money where his mouth is", and you will see an amazing display of back-pedaling, tap-dancing, side-shuffling, "it depends on what your definition of 'is', is" double talk that would put the greatest con man to shame.

In fact, that might not even be his actual statement. He might of just copied it off someone else. You never know with John.

wait a second. John is 100% correct in his assertions about card counting. card counting is indeed the back-bone to playing casino 21, it is the language of blackjack. however, the low-variance techniques that Mr. May prefers, if executed correctly, will no doubt cause havoc on any casino. the examples given in GTEABJ might be vage, but they are a reality. it is very true that card counting alone will not beat many of today's blackjack games, and i think we shoud all try to appreciate John's incredible scope on the all the angles. i doubt any of you have made enough money at the tables to cuss down any of John's remarkable abilities.

bunch 'o fools!

You're asking at a website for card counters, and asking anyone with a dissenting opinion not to post.

I think card counting is more viable than counting the tie bet in bacarrat.

Counting the cards at the game of 21 is only viable if it is a lifetime project and the casino allows you to play. But without doubt, if you are serious about making money at card-playing, Hold'em poker is definitely your best shot. You never attract heat and you don't have to worry about being barred.

John May sez:
"And, frankly, any one who is still counting in the mistaken impression that is a superior or even adequate form of advantage play is a moron."
You said:
"card counting is indeed the back-bone to playing casino 21, it is the language of blackjack."

And some how you think your statement is similar to what John May has said.

John May says counting is INADEQUATE, you say it is the BACK-BONE.
I guess that means you are a moron, if you take John's statement at face value.

But of course you are just practicing a John May like "shuffle":

"the examples given in GTEABJ might be vage, but they are a reality"
So? What does this have to do with counting being viable, or you are a moron if you count?

"it is very true that card counting alone will not beat many of today's blackjack games"
Just because counting will not beat every game, every time, doesn't mean you throw it away. This is just smoke and off the subject. Try John May's hole card the dealer technique at many of today's blackjack games, it won't work either.

"and i think we shoud all try to appreciate John's incredible scope on the all the angles."
Yeah, John May knows some stuff that people have told him. So he should be able to spout off any nonsense he feels like. Right.

"i doubt any of you have made enough money at the tables to cuss down any of John's remarkable abilities."
Yep. Now let's try the "my bankroll is bigger than your bankroll" rant that is soooo easy to do over the net.

the ones who are in "action" all the time. Frank,Pui,Anonymouse,etc. dont fit the criteria,do you think so? However the window is open for others.

I dont recognize your handle and since you compare card counting exclusively to the tie bet in Bac, it is unlikely you fit the criteria of being an experienced veteran.

If any blackjack veteran out there does not use card counting as his bread and butter and considers this to be an inadequate form of advantage play(as John states)and has other more consistent profitable ways to beat the game, It would be very surprising to me.

Please disregard, coupons,comps,matchplay,computers or even downright cheating.

Even though I did get a little upset when he implied I'm a moron for being an avid card counter. John does have a few good tactics that can be exploited once in a while.

The issue is "Do you use card counting as your bread and butter or other forms of strategy?"

Can you sincerely and simply reply to my question and maybe a few brief thoughts about your own experiences without mentioning John?

it can't be done, rather than admit to yourself "I don't have what it takes."

I doubt sincerely that you spend as much time in casinos, week after week, playing with an advantage as I do. I may be an outright jackass, but that's beside the point.

If any blackjack veteran out there does not use card counting as his bread and butter and considers this to be an inadequate form of advantage play(as John states)and has other more consistent profitable ways to beat the game, It would be very surprising to me.

Well, then, you're an idiot. Thanks for weighing in with your vast understanding of the game of blackjack. Loathe as I am to agree with John May, I must concur that card counting sucks and is inadequate for the everyday, practical advantage player.

wait a second. John is 100% correct in his assertions about card counting. card counting is indeed the back-bone to playing casino 21, it is the language of blackjack. however, the low-variance techniques that Mr. May prefers, if executed correctly, will no doubt cause havoc on any casino. the examples given in GTEABJ might be vage, but they are a reality. it is very true that card counting alone will not beat many of today's blackjack games, and i think we shoud all try to appreciate John's incredible scope on the all the angles. i doubt any of you have made enough money at the tables to cuss down any of John's remarkable abilities.

GTEABJ sucks. There are other BJ texts on the market which are far superior, and I'm not talking about a bunch of counting crap either. John May has proven time and again that he is a hack. Sure, there are a few good ideas in that book, but then, those are just stolen from other people or sources with more creativity, intelligence and gambling know-how than Mr. May will ever have.

"Loathe as I am to agree with John May, I must concur that card counting sucks and is inadequate for the everyday, practical advantage player."

Loathe as I am to agree with Anonymouse, he's right.

But his advice is spot on mostly for the professional player. Nothing wrong at all with casual players engaging in practical, serious card counting. Casual advantage players can only lose their chains if they engage in serious card counting. Even though it sucks as a breadwinner.

What on earth does the value of GTEABJ have to do with TG's question?? Nothing, what's what. Still, LVHC Mafioso will take any opportunity to heckle and annoy John May. (Could she be John May's ex-wife?)

I have read a few of your persistent negative posts and you seem to be a bewildered antagonizing mouse that cant find the cheese so you create an illusion of confusion.

I consider you and LVHC to be nothing but trolls who despise card counters.

This was a discussion on the net gambling page.
It is obvious, without reference to "laborious calculations", that getting roughly 100% return on investment in a few hours, as you can with most MG casinos, is mathematically superior in terms of ROI alone to counting.
Now, if you can't see that SOTSOG, then you are a moron.
This is a total non-issue.

I've no problem with card counting, it is just getting tougher while other forms of advantage play are getting easier.

I do fine strictly card counting... with the added advantage of not being accused of cheating and getting a casino security guard's foot up my ass. And yes peeking at the hole card IS CHEATING!

"Casual advantage players can only lose their chains if they engage
in serious card counting. Even though it sucks as a breadwinner."
It's clearly, at least for me that 313.81 watching the actual LV and
NEVADA scenario and the 'mob' procedures toward advantage and/or card
counters in general, is taken the part for the whole, or in plain English his lens is suffering from an exacerbated chauvinism.
For the rest of the World I prefer this:
"Casual card counters can only lose thie chains if they engage in serious advantage play. Even though it sucks as a breadwinner."
Regards
Z

John may is right on the button. retired counter

I have read a few of your persistent negative posts and you seem to be a bewildered antagonizing mouse that cant find the cheese so you create an illusion of confusion.

Don't confuse negativity and antagonism with incorrectness or ineptitude in the casinos. Maybe I am abrasive and, ultimately, a mean poster but, when it comes down to it, I don't post a lot of BS and I do know a little something about advantage play. I can tell you that there are plenty of people out there doing stuff other than card counting. I know a few professional blackjack players who don't even know how to count cards. I recall that the central theme of your post is that card counting is the backbone to casino blackjack play and that it is the meat of all pros' games. Well, that's just not true, whether you like the source who is telling you this or not.