86ed at the SLS in Vegas first time there

I go into the SLS in Vegas the other day for the first time. I played there a couple times a long time ago when it used to be the Sahara with no problems. I sit down at a double deck game for around 25-30 minutes betting around $25 to $400 and breaking about even.
Then a suit and 3 security guards walk up to the table and the suit says "we're not gonna let you play bj here anymore" I say ok and get up to leave and he says "talk to these security guys" and walks off. The security guys ask me for id, and I tell them no I play anonyomous.
They say "show me an id or we will 86 you" I told them I didn't give out that info. I didnt want to be 86ed but I also didnt want them sending my name around town and being hasseled in other casinos.
I tried to talk them out of an 86 but it didn't work, they let me cash out then walked me to the door reading the tresspass. Now I can never go back in there.
Anyone have a simular experience?
What would you have done in this spot? Show an id to avoid the 86?
I've had this happen twice before a long time ago and got 86ed both times.

Everything you did once you were backed off was fine. You made only one mistake (well, actually two): 1) you decided to play DD at SLS in the first place, and 2) you were a pig about it, spreading from 1-16!!

Spreading 1-16 on DD anywhere is just begging for trouble. Doing it at SLS is, well, just plain stupid.

Don

... Except the suit gave me a choice of showing ID and "being allowed to play all other games except blackjack" vs. not showing ID and "not being allowed to play any games." The suit was polite, and there were no guards and no 86. Obviously I did not show ID, and did not go to the cage.

During your 25-30 minutes of play, did you notice or sense anything in the pit or around you? Perhaps once you reached your max bet, a floor phoned upstairs and/or notified the shift manager.

25-30 minutes of play on DD is more than enough time for surveillance to make a determination if you are moving your bets with the count.

Win or lose, it's always a good idea to leave upon completion of the shoe that you reach your max bet, especially in a casino known to be intolerant towards big action and counters. Always use your own discretion depending on the situation.

You did the right thing in not showing your ID. You probably don't intend on going back to play their other table games or slots, so there's no reason for them to have your info.

No I didn't notice anything unusual in the pit. They were watching a little but not sweating me on every hand. Sounds like they do it from the eye. Makes sense to leave the shoe after a max bet to be safe but on a double deck game that could be one time like a 5 or 10 minute session, driving to a casino and playing only 5 minutes, sounds hard to get a decent amount of hours in playing like that. Is that how you guys play? Would make more sense to play like that at higher stakes. I like to usually play about 45 minutes or even up to 2 or more hours depending on the situation. Had some decent double deck sessions that lasted over 2 hours this trip with no problems. Probably could have played longer.

It seems to me that there are often emotional ramifications along with the practical ones following being 86ed. Though I only have limited experience with pit personnel being dissatisfied with what I was doing or with what they perceived I was doing, it still 'hurt.'

My advice, which, again, is based on limited experience, is to continue 'airing out' what happened as you are doing, seeking feedback. But I would further suggest also going 'deeper' (and maybe the internet is not suitable for this) in order to examine a bit how this experience has affected you emotionally. From a psychological perspective, we (as humans) want to be accepted and supported, not shunned.

Finally, try not to 'personalize' what happened. Keep in mind that, of course, they know nothing about you as a person. They saw 25 minutes of you making certain decisions at the game of blackjack, and they made a subsequent simple business decision.

Precisely why I like having several DD tables available. One tanks, I'm off to a new shuffle. I spread modestly and have a strong playing strategy. Never split TT but double A8v5,6-which is sorta pushing it.

Of course you can go back there. Just not anytime soon, and they were gonna 86 you anyway. You have nothing to gain by showing casino security your ID or by giving them a chance to photograph you at the cage. Just leave.

You can always find "friends" in Las Vegas to cash chips for you or you can hold them until your next trip and cash them out in less than $2,500 increments. BTW, when they back you off at the table just shove all of the chips in your pocket and refuse to color up. You don't want them to saddle you with high denomination chips that might be hard to cash later on. Just shove all of the black and green in your pocket. If you have a bunch of green give them $400 to color up to black. The best photos in the casino happen at the cashiers cage.

It's all just a cat & mouse game-nothing to feel bad or emotional about. Just have fun with it!

Why could I go back there? Even if it's 5 or 10 years from now Wouldn't they arrest me for tresspassing? I don't want that too happen. Do casinos in vegas really arrest people for tresspassing and call the cops if they come back years later after an 86? Any of you had that happen?

There are atleast a 1000 casinos in the world. What is interesting is that you are bothered about one shithole casino rather than the rest of the world. It does say something about human psychology!

Waugh

When the foreign investors have completed their requirements for EB-5 visas, their willingness to tolerate incompetent management while they lose piles of money will diminish. Same situation with another underperforming dump, the Downtown Grand.

Yes, legally, they could arrest you if you return. As a practical matter, it rarely happens; they just 86 you again as a matter of expediency. This is not to say that at some point the casino would not get fed up with a frequent flier and press charges for trespass.

As another practical matter, why would you want to play in a dump like that again anyway? They have already made you once. You are in their system as an 86'd undesirable. Now they will be laying for you. Just wait for them to go out of business. That erases any 86ings. Play in the new place. And spread less than 16:1 at DD. Meanwhile, just play somewhere else. You are not out of places to play in Vegas are you?

The key concept to avoiding the radar is to never bet table max whether it's vertically or horizontally but a reasonable portion thereof. It's true your win rate will suffer but your longevity will skyrocket.