6 Deck Cut Card at 2 decks

How much more of a disadvantage am I running if the cut card is placed at 2 decks instead of 1 1/2 in a 6 deck shoe? Is it still a winning shoe? Its about 70% of the cards.

Here are the SCOREs for 6 decks, S17, DOA, DAS using Hi-Lo and I18 indices, courtesy of BJRM2002:

4.0 of 6 (66%). SCORE: $13.47
4.5 of 6 (75%). SCORE: $19.89
5.0 of 6 (75%). SCORE: $33.64
5.5 of 6 (75%). SCORE: $62.88

should not be broadcasted all over the internet,I wish Schlesinger would have thought of using better descretion when expressing SCORE. It surely would not have been that difficult eliminate $$$ crap,etc.. However I'm sure they all appreciate your very conclusive answers Magician....wow,what magic and wisdom you truly have.

The Damn SCORE is the worst crap that ever hit the internet,thanks for your new inadvertant discovery of expressions Don.

you label all of the last three penetrations as 75%, while only the 4.5 decks dealt option is 75%. Also, the SCORES of all but the 1/2 deck cutoff are fairly low, so I'm assuming you churned these out with a "Play All" option rather than wonging, which is a more standard way to handle 6 deck games. The spread that you use is also critical in obtaining these numbers.

To answer the original question, 2 deck cutoff is much worse than 1.5 cutoff--but 1.5 cutoff without late surrender ain't so hot either. I try not to play 6 deck no surrender games unless I can get about 1 deck cutoff.

Thanks Fine Tuner. The incorrect percentages were the result of a cut-and-paste error and the omission of the spread was a serious oversight. At least the SCOREs were accurate. In an attempt to appease Rocky, I've removed the dollar signs away and I won't post the SCOREs for backcounting.

Here are the SCOREs for 6 decks, S17, DOA, DAS using Hi-Lo and I18 indices, courtesy of BJRM2002:

Play all, 1-12 spread
4.0 of 6 (66%). SCORE: 13.47
4.5 of 6 (75%). SCORE: 19.89
5.0 of 6 (83%). SCORE: 33.64
5.5 of 6 (92%). SCORE: 62.88

A better idea yet(in regards to the SCore)is use "per hand" ev integers. I'm afraid its too late though, someone has already let the damn cats out of the bag:)

Magician are you using red chip units? Furthermore, how can you find the Casinos that place the cut card at 1 1/2 in a 6 deck shoe? Particularly Vegas and California

I use a $5, $10 or $25 unit, depending on the conditions. You might call it "light green".

I'm not the person to ask for conditions in the areas you mentioned. For details of current rules and playing conditions in all US casinos, consider subscribing to Current Blackjack News in the online catalog on this site.

Kyle is asking if you can achieve the SCORE values betting nickels.
The answer is no way. You must have a $10,000 bankroll,play like a computer and push the black out when called for.If you play like a human, you stand a 20% chance of losing your entire bankroll.

It takes a hell of alot more than nickels.

Maybe *you* personally can't get there, but others among us sure can.

But these last statistics you had just drawn up with the 6 deck shoe and 2 deck cut etc. Did you use Green chip units to obtain the score with a 1 to 12 bet spread?

but a 1-12 nickel spread wont get you there. If you think this is nonsense that's fine,but dont go crying on anyones shoulder when you wonder after 1000 hours of hitting the shoe why you only managed to grind out a few bucks. Greedy Bastard,not. Guess you'll just have to learn the hard way.

Are based on kelly optimal betting based on a $10,000 dollar bank.
red chips, green chips, black chips have nothing to do with it.
SCORE is just a tool to use for comparisons and game evaluation.

The truth of the matter is, with the best conditions, you can probably make 1 to 1.5 units per hour. So, if your unit is $5 red chips, you are making at best $7.50 an hour. M

uch better to get a minimum wage job at McDonalds (less risk, with fewer salary fluctuations), continue to practice and build your bankroll, and then hit them hard. Of course, practice and building your bankroll with red chip play won't hurt.

You asked how the 4.0/6 and 4.5/6 games compare, so I gave you SCOREs, which are very useful for comparison purposes but not necessarily indicative of actual win rates. For the full low-down on SCORE, see Blackjack Attack.

To answer your question, the betting unit for those SCOREs ranged from $7 to $18 depending on the penetration.

. . . your comment that "If you play like a human, you stand a 20% chance of losing your entire bankroll."

Maybe you do. I sure don't, and I've only met two "counters" (out of several dozen I know) who did. (Actually, both of those guys had a 100% chance of losing their entire bankroll.)