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EV of odds bets in and of themselves are 0.

Posted By: Moose
Date: 7 Nov 01, 2:03 pm

In Response To: Also... (Walter Thomason)

.. that is, you either have a pass line bet of $X with EV of -1.4% and an odds bet of $2X with an EV of 0, *OR*, you have an OVERALL pass line bet of $3X with an EV of -0.4%

Make sense? You have to pay the vig on the pass line bet, but once you've made the pass line bet, then you can make an additional odds bet - the odds bet has an EV of 0, effectively "diluting" the overall advantage..

M.

Messages In This Thread

• Big Three -- Midnite gambler -- 6 Nov 01, 12:27 pm
  • Don't tell that to . . . -- Don Schlesinger -- 6 Nov 01, 1:13 pm
    • CSM's -- Stephen Adams -- 6 Nov 01, 1:29 pm
    • Those who can do, those who can't... -- A Real Player -- 6 Nov 01, 2:07 pm
      • TOO Much Math & No Savey (nt) -- Frank Stanton -- 6 Nov 01, 2:25 pm
    • Please, Don... Please !! -- Walter Thomason -- 6 Nov 01, 3:20 pm
      • Yeah.... -- Gimp boy -- 6 Nov 01, 4:47 pm
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        • well -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 8:36 am
          • You got My point JD. (nt) -- Frank Stanton -- 7 Nov 01, 12:28 pm
        • That being the case... -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 11:30 am
          • no offense walt -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 12:30 pm
            • I very much doubt it -- Green Baize Vampire -- 7 Nov 01, 12:47 pm
              • I was referring to -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 2:33 pm
                • Read in a sitting -- Green Baize Vampire -- 7 Nov 01, 2:39 pm
                  • difference -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 3:09 pm
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                      • How did you find out. -- SOTSOG -- 8 Nov 01, 2:58 pm
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            • Really? -- Green Baize Vampire -- 7 Nov 01, 2:15 pm
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            • Speaking of "weird." -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 2:57 pm
              • Give me a break -- Don Schlesinger -- 7 Nov 01, 4:25 pm
              • Don't kid yourself.... -- Theef -- 8 Nov 01, 7:09 am
                • That's good... -- Walter Thomason -- 8 Nov 01, 11:28 am
                • Right you are -- Don Schlesinger -- 8 Nov 01, 2:06 pm
                  • Don... -- A Real Player -- 8 Nov 01, 3:05 pm
                    • Agree with Don -- Fieldy -- 8 Nov 01, 3:34 pm
                      • Of course you do... -- A Real Player -- 8 Nov 01, 8:12 pm
                  • BUT they are not writing the -- Frank Stanton -- 8 Nov 01, 8:38 pm
                • You should take your own advice -- Maverick -- 8 Nov 01, 4:59 pm
            • slipshod -- mat220 -- 8 Nov 01, 7:08 pm
      • I do not need to read a single book on craps.. -- Moose -- 7 Nov 01, 10:44 am
        • Moose -- Minnesota Fats -- 7 Nov 01, 11:42 am
          • the meaning of "beat" -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 12:43 pm
            • Gross simplification of a complex issue -- Green Baize Vampire -- 7 Nov 01, 1:41 pm
              • whatever you say John -- JD -- 7 Nov 01, 2:38 pm
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        • "zero expectation"? -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 11:43 am
          • Only odds bets are zero expectation bets. -- Moose -- 7 Nov 01, 12:09 pm
            • Only one "bone of contention." -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 12:42 pm
              • Also... -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 1:06 pm
                • EV of odds bets in and of themselves are 0. -- Moose -- 7 Nov 01, 2:03 pm
                  • Wrong! -- Walter Thomason -- 7 Nov 01, 3:08 pm
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                          • Best Answer -- CBJP -- 7 Nov 01, 7:07 pm
                      • Yep... makes sense. (nt) -- Walter Thomason -- 8 Nov 01, 7:59 am
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          • LOL ! thank you Walter, always providing a good laugh (nt) -- El Burro -- 8 Nov 01, 3:26 pm
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      • Cause? Effect? -- Don Schlesinger -- 6 Nov 01, 5:12 pm
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  • disagree -- bigplayer -- 6 Nov 01, 2:31 pm
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    • wongable slots? -- Rutager -- 7 Nov 01, 2:17 am
      • Usually slots with side jackpots -- Bootlegger -- 7 Nov 01, 11:06 am
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    • generalizations -- Scarce -- 6 Nov 01, 4:54 pm
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